metricspaces wrote: » Age is not the sole criteria in Ireland for getting into ICU. Ireland has not taken this approach, yet.
sydthebeat wrote: » Where did i say they had the same population?? If your going to debate with me at least challenge me on what I say, not what you make up...
sydthebeat wrote: » Where did i say they had the same population?? If your going to debate with me at least challenge me on what I say, not what you make up... My point is Competely valid... Sweden has 20% more confirmed cases than Ireland, yet has more than 200% more cases. They obviously and evidently have not taken a better approach than we have. Also, for our smaller population, we are also testing over 100% more per capita than they are.. Are they still taking the right approach???
niallo27 wrote: » Cmon you cant ignore the population size.
niallo27 wrote: » Question for people though, the fact that Sweden hasnt locked down shouldnt they have thousands dead by now. Any model we have seen shows massive eath rates if nothing is done why hasnt this materialized in sweden.
frillyleaf wrote: » Does Sweden have the right approach to this and how is their healthcare system being able to manage Covid19 cases? What are the differences between Sweden and Ireland and why can’t we continue similar to how Sweden is managing Covid19? I’m not suggesting either is right or wrong. I would just like to know how Sweden can continue as normal and other countries can’t. Thanks ��
sydthebeat wrote: » Where did i say they had the same population?? If your going to debate with me at least challenge me on what I say, not what you make up...My point is Competely valid... Sweden has 20% more confirmed cases than Ireland, yet has more than 200% more cases. They obviously and evidently have not taken a better approach than we have. Also, for our smaller population, we are also testing over 100% more per capita than they are.. Are they still taking the right approach???
suicide_circus wrote: » Sweden has a history of massaging figures for media consumption
One often-heard statistic is the "case fatality rate"—that is, the percentage of people diagnosed with a disease who will die of it. This afternoon that figure stands at 3.5 percent for COVID-19 in the U.S., but this rate is significantly inflated because it does not count asymptomatic cases or undiagnosed people who recover at home. What we really need to know is the infection fatality rate: the percentage of all the people infected who eventually die of the disease. That's what the German study attempts to do.Over the last two weeks, German virologists tested nearly 80 percent of the population of Gangelt for antibodies that indicate whether they'd been infected by the coronavirus. Around 15 percent had been infected, allowing them to calculate a COVID-19 infection fatality rate of about 0.37 percent. The researchers also concluded that people who recover from the infection are immune to reinfection, at least for a while. For comparison, the U.S. infection fatality rates for the 1957–58 flu epidemic was around 0.27 percent; for the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic, it was about 2.6 percent. For seasonal flu, the rate typically averages around 0.1 percent. Basically, the German researchers found that the coronavirus kills about four times as many infected people than seasonal flu viruses do. The German researchers caution that it would be wrong to extrapolate these regional results to the whole country. But they also believe these findings show that lockdowns can begin to be lifted, as long as people maintain high levels of hygiene to keep COVID-19 under control.
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » Interesting glasso Italian health officials believe they have 10 times their official infected figurehttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.blo...epubblica-says
Charles Babbage wrote: » They also have 3 times the deaths of the official figure.
glasso wrote: » the Germans immunity tested 80% of a town with about 11,000 population
Charles Babbage wrote: » Social distancing and aggressive testing is needed to keep this under control until we get a vaccine.
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » Not officially.
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » they wouldnt have more than 20% chance of surviving ICU
Lyan wrote: » Sweden and Norway are rational in their approach. Our approach appears motivated by emotion. People are pointing out a slightly higher death rate in Sweden while ignoring that death rates are much lower than ours in Norway. People are also ignoring that by most projections Sweden and Norway should be seeing hundreds of thousands of cases coming in about now. Instead they are experiencing the massively flattened curve that we are seeing here in Ireland. The Nords may have dodged catastrophe while avoiding the "cure" of hamstringing their economies. Any moderate increase in deaths that are seen now will be redeemed by preventing massive suffering in the future. People can call in inhuman to allow more deaths in the short term, but I believe those people cannot see very far into the future. I see time proving the Swedes and Norwegians correct but I know people will continue to irrationally believe our lockdown approach was the better option. Intelligence and common sense precaution beats enforced lockdowns. We don't need the government to "help" with this.
KiKi III wrote: » They have twice our population but almost four times as many deaths as us so far.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » No, sure four times our number (288) would be 1152. Their number as of today is 887. Not suggesting they may not end up being four times more, or even worse.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Has Norway not imposed a strict lockdown?
In some ways, however, Sweden is better prepared to weather the storm than other countries. Forty per cent of the country’s workforce worked from home regularly, even before the virus struck. Sweden also has a high ratio of people living on their own, whereas in southern Europe it’s not uncommon to have three generations under one roof. Emma Grossmith, a British employment lawyer working in Stockholm, says another factor in Sweden’s favour is a generous social welfare net that means people don’t feel obligated to turn up for work if their young child is sick. State support kicks in on day one of absence from work due to a child being sick. “The system here was already well set up to help people to make smarter choices which ultimately benefit the wider population,” she said. But Grossmith notes a big gap between the way Swedes and expatriates view the virus. “There is a native trust in the system amongst those who have grown up with it,” she said. “ In contrast, many of the expat community feel that the strategy has neither been communicated clearly nor robustly challenged in the Swedish press. “They are deeply worried.” The next month will determine whether the Swedish system got it right.
Ulysses Gaze wrote: » Perhaps if we implemented the below type of system here, it may work. But even then, 2,000 health professionals and researchers have signed a petition demanding tougher action by the Swedish Government to deal with the virus.https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-why-sweden-has-refused-to-go-into-lockdown-mode-during-covid-19-battle-c-970104
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