Deleted User wrote: » The elderly and vulnerable will need to continue to cocoon
Blueshoe wrote: » Remember the chap that ate the bat that lead to a global pandemic and the country that tried to cover it up. If you have an axe to grind head to China to air your grievances. Tell us how you get on
rusty the athlete wrote: » Not the active fit and healthy elderly otherwise their physical and mental state will deteriorate to an extent that they are no longer fit and healthy. Just look after yourself and mind your own business about the elderly.
citysights wrote: » Immunity passports, there’s an article about this in today’s Irish Independent ( we’ll actually a question and answers session) with Dr. Cillian De Gascun. I can’t read the full article because it’s behind a paywall. In another article I have read on these passports, the idea is a blood test is taken to see if people have anti bodies to covid 19, then if people do they are considered to have some immunity at least and are then allowed to return to work. I do not know if any country is trying to adopt this. Germany is mentioned in the first article.
OMM 0000 wrote: » It wasn't. The problem is the EU and US completely ignored the virus, completely ignored how Asia was handling it (masks), and let too many people get infected. The lockdown was totally unnecessary and the leadership in the West have completely failed. It should be possible to end the lockdown in Ireland very soon, and life going back to relatively normal, but people need to wear masks. That's how we're able to continue living normally in Asia. No lockdown.
Penfailed wrote: » That doesn't get away from the fact that there still aren't enough masks to go around...
OMM 0000 wrote: » The WHO are lying, I don't know why. If we wanted to get into conspiracy theories, we can say the WHO are corrupt, bought by the Chinese, and the Chinese are using this opportunity to totally screw up the West. But more likely it's just complete incompetence.
polesheep wrote: » if a little rusty;). Good luck to you.
rusty the athlete wrote: » Rusty - not a bit of it! Brand spanking new!
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » Are you still sticking to your usual running routine?
Downlinz wrote: » Wearing masks is helpful for everyone but the supply isn't there and we all know what would have happened to the limited supply if wealthy westerners were told the truth. Encouraging people to make homemade masks was probably the best solution in the early stages but the west was far too fixated with the "don't panic" message to ensure business kept running smoothly.
OMM 0000 wrote: » Why not just let people go back to work wearing masks, live they've done in Asia? Almost no local transmission in the workplace. What am I missing here. Western leadership not thinking? A power grab? I really don't get it. It's incredibly frustrating watching this from Asia. The West needlessly destroying themselves.
citysights wrote: » I don’t know. At the moment here people are not allowed to work( if their work is not from home) which is most people anyway. We’ve had two weeks and now three more, meanwhile there are bills to be paid, families to feed, life is on hold.
BruteStock wrote: » What lockdown? You don't know anything about lockdown , none of us do. I can get in my car right now and drive from one part of the country to the other. I can leave the house and go for a walk/run. I can visit a friend or relative. I can go for a beer run. I can go to my local park and sit down for as long as I want. When Wuhan went into lockdown , it meant the entire City was completely sealed off and 9 million of its people were quarantined to their homes. Later the lockdown was extended to the entire Provence. Over 50 million people locked up in their homes. Armed forces surrounded Wuhan and - nobody went in / nobody went out. It was piratically an encapsulated bubble The people of Wuhan knowing the lockdown was going to be so severe , tried to flee the city to avoid becoming prisoner in their own homes , which ultimately happened to them for MONTHS. Only now are the restrictions being eased up and this happened to them back in Nov/Dec. Thats what lockdown really is. And thats what we will (the west) have to go through to beat this thing , so lockdown will absolutely not end in Ireland anytime soon. And it would be a complete disaster if it did. For example , Joe Bloggs goes out on the weekend , he goes to work Monday. All good. He wakes up Tues in a bad condition , calls work to tell them he can't come in. Later he finds he has the covid. He never knew he had it in work on Monday. Now others have it and they also are unable to go to work. Everybody who works there now has to quarantine for 2 weeks. That workplace now is no better off than it was under the lockdown. Do you not get that? How do you think hospital workers feel when they hear people selfishly expect and want life to go back to normal? More interaction and movement of people means more people being sent to the hospital with covid disease. The doctors and nurses are dealing with that and in return putting their own lives at risk. This is the biggest game changer to will ever experience in your life. Nobody on here really understands the devastation it has already caused. A monumental global recession is what awaits us , not a return to normalcy. Debenhams is gone- never returning. 100's of small business will never return. They are gone forever. To be blunt about it - most people are mentally weak and can't cope. They will pathetically argue that x amount of lives lost is acceptable as long as it means they go for a coffee in town. Most people are too weak willed to knuckle down and endure short term pain for long term pain. Most people only care about themselves.
OMM 0000 wrote: » The West waited too long and let a Wuhan happen to them. It is extraordinary incompetence. For months I was warning my family back home that the West is ignoring this problem and it's going to be dire, so at least they were able to get prepared (hundreds of masks, lots of food, etc.) Where I disagree with you is your work analogy. I'll give a specific example. So right now I'm in Hong Kong and a guy who works in Marks and Spencer's infected three of his colleagues. But he never infected them while at work, because they all wear masks. Nor has he infected any customers, who would all be wearing masks too. He infected his colleagues at a drinking party, where they all took off their masks and spent hours crowded together. Everyone is working as normal here, and no one is getting infected at work. Why? Because masks. The only infections we are saying are these four types: 1. Imported. 2. Pubs. 3. Banquets. 4. Family members infecting each other. Wearing masks virtually stops transmission. The proof is undeniable at this stage.
alwald wrote: » Cafes, restaurants, bars, gig venues and all other similar businesses are the last ones to be allowed to open. I will put a question mark on traveling abroad too.
OMM 0000 wrote: » I hope there is a compromise soon (e.g. x and y people can return to work) so at least there is a bit of hope in the air. I cannot imagine how stressful it must be if you have no savings, rent to pay, and no sense of when you can start earning again.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Cafes and restaurants will open I think because they are seating and therefore distancing can be managed. Bars and venues and sports grounds don’t have that advantage
Penfailed wrote: » Cafes and restaurants can manage social distancing for customers...but probably not for staff.
OMM 0000 wrote: » I think cafes, restaurants, and pubs should be the last things to open, as they involve people not wearing masks. A lot of cafes and restaurants are dealing with this in Hong Kong by being takeout only. The government had to close pubs here. Too much risk there.
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