Ace2007 wrote: » So it's ok for foreign nationals to pick these crops and possible risk their lives for pennies, but not ok for someone who may be currently unemployed? Said person doesn't have to lose their dole money if they volunteer to help out.
citysights wrote: » The poster says he or she would happily go and help because of the emergency we now find ourselves in and you turn it into a long drawn out rant and start making comparisons to the dole... Perplexing
Tenzor07 wrote: » What will be more interesting is from the 5th of May how many restrictions will be removed. From what I read it will be partial, maybe going back to end of March before the current restrictions, and a removal of additional Garda powers. If this isn't going to be the case I would expect the Army to be on the streets to keep the rule of law.
JRant wrote: » I didn’t see anything today to justify keeping the economy locked down for another 3 weeks. Their figures on testing were wrong today. The projected numbers given at the first round of restrictions were so far off as to be laughable. RTE had figures up on their website earlier that more than 150 deaths had taken place but seems to be gone now. The median age is 81 for all deaths. Our main source of infection seem to be nursing homes and health care environments. Nearly 1 million people out of work, many of whom would be supporting elderly relatives. .
Greentopia wrote: » There's a huge difference between giving a hand to help out in an emergency and the work rate of young guys from Bulgaria and Romania who are brought in to pick harvests in the UK, Netherlands, Germany and so on. They are professional farm workers who have high productivity rates and are used to starting work at 5am and working relentless back breaking toil for often 9 or 10 hours a day. Most of us do not have that kind of experience and would not put up with the kind of working conditions they do unless we're brought up on a veg farm. The Torys tried to coerce unemployed English to do that kind of work a while back and got very little takers and the ones that did do it some quit after one day because they were too soft/lazy/unwilling or unable and couldn't hack it. I worked on a few organic farms as a WOOFer and for horticultural work experience and even that was tough, and I didn't have to stretch myself to meet any production targets as the owners were all laid back hippy types :pac: I think it's great people saying ye'd muck in here and help out in a real crisis, and i definitely would too-meitheal spirit and all that, but it's not as simple as telling thousands of unemployed Irish people to get to work picking spuds and pay them pennies. It takes a certain work ethic, physical stamina, training and experience to do the job properly. And of course you'd have to pay them properly or else they'd just decide after a day it wasn't worth the extra few euro over the dole money.
Ace2007 wrote: » And do you not think that it's plain common sense, that those who aren't doing anything now, could pick/collect these harvests to ensure there are no food shortages If we need to pick turnips/spuds in Ireland and there is a shortage, I'd happily go and help if it meant we didn't end up with shortages, So many people on here think that work is beneath them.
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » Yeah you see you're just showing how incredibly ignorant you are here. Harvesting that you suggest sending the unemployed "who have nothing better to do" is done by having large amounts often dozens cramped together in confined quarters who are lucky make a few euro an hour So not only are you forcing people into work which would make them worse off financially than the dole you are spreading it like wildfire amongst the workers You then have most of these who are fit and healthy thinking why the fcuk should we do this for feck all pay and still risk the virus when we could be back at normal work. Then more and more people who were ok toughen out lockdown and restrictions start to think "fcuk this let us back to our normal jobs" I am the exact same, I want to protect the elderly and vulrenable (which I'm part of) but your ignorance is just as bad as anyone that wants a survival of the fittest
Ace2007 wrote: » Sorry I didn't mean you when I said some posters. That's what so good about Ireland - Society comes together and help each other out
lord quackinton wrote: » What little info they have on deaths is interesting Does put a lot of the scaremongering around young uns being affected to bed Median and mean age are what they are
citysights wrote: » Please re read what I wrote carefully. No where did I mention work being above or beneath people. But I’d actually agree that if things became that difficult here( which hopefully they won’t) yes people would help each other. Irish people are good and kind intrinsically, we are a small island and we would definitely help each other.
facehugger99 wrote: » What a horrifically dumb statement. Economic devastation will affect the poor and elderly. Economic devastation will kill the poor and elderly. Do you have any idea how heath services and state pensions are funded and paid for?
Ace2007 wrote: » Well at least you admit you were wrong.
Beasty wrote: » All you can get is in the daily HSE briefings They simply do not reveal any other info. Maybe on privacy grounds, but it gets no more granular than that
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Actually I attributed something to the Australian government which was wrong but Australian health experts have suggested a immunity passport but the Australian government are not 'actively' pursuing it at the moment. I posted the link which clarified the situation. No , food shortages mean less food to go around. If someone goes hungry it means someone else is unwilling to share. So once again please don't post lies and claim they are from me. Thanks.
Ace2007 wrote: » Well you made up stuff about the Australian government earlier on but that was ok? Food shortages - leads to some people running out of food
donaghs wrote: » What? I haven’t read one comment saying that. Sounds disingenuous - most comments looking for new solutions seem to include the caveat of cocooning old and vulnerable, to avoid the misdirection comments like above.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I didn't say we would run out of food I posted an article that shows another consequence of governmental lockdown ,food shortages You may have an issue with my comments but have the decency not to make up stuff and then attribute it to me.
thebaz wrote: » and yet ther are a few here saying the at risk and elderly should be released early from ther Cocoon - What would the effect of that be ?
Ace2007 wrote: » How I am sneering at anyone? I replied to a poster who said we might run out of food, because foreign nationals who do the job for pennies are no longer available. Why can't people who are currently out of a job do this work? You come across as you prefer people to go hungry than people just get on with the situation. If you have read any of my posts you know that protecting the elderly and the vulnerable are top of my list.
Cupatae wrote: » I dunno that wouldnt sit right with me anyway, sacrificing people for the economy, and im glad we arent doing that id take any amount of economic devastation before willfully giving up on our at risk and elderly.
citysights wrote: » So what is your actual point? It’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that there could be food shortages if people cannot travel over borders to pick/ collect the harvest. Hardly rocket science, just plain common sense.
lord quackinton wrote: » I actually find it hard to get stats Of those who have died in Ireland Breakdown by county, age, profession etc Would be good to know that stuff
Cupatae wrote: » id take any amount of economic devastation before willfully giving up on our at risk and elderly.
