Beasty wrote: » All you can get is in the daily HSE briefings They simply do not reveal any other info. Maybe on privacy grounds, but it gets no more granular than that
Ace2007 wrote: » And do you not think that it's plain common sense, that those who aren't doing anything now, could pick/collect these harvests to ensure there are no food shortages If we need to pick turnips/spuds in Ireland and there is a shortage, I'd happily go and help if it meant we didn't end up with shortages, So many people on here think that work is beneath them.
Ace2007 wrote: » Well at least you admit you were wrong.
facehugger99 wrote: » What a horrifically dumb statement. Economic devastation will affect the poor and elderly. Economic devastation will kill the poor and elderly. Do you have any idea how heath services and state pensions are funded and paid for?
citysights wrote: » Please re read what I wrote carefully. No where did I mention work being above or beneath people. But I’d actually agree that if things became that difficult here( which hopefully they won’t) yes people would help each other. Irish people are good and kind intrinsically, we are a small island and we would definitely help each other.
lord quackinton wrote: » What little info they have on deaths is interesting Does put a lot of the scaremongering around young uns being affected to bed Median and mean age are what they are
Ace2007 wrote: » Sorry I didn't mean you when I said some posters. That's what so good about Ireland - Society comes together and help each other out
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » Yeah you see you're just showing how incredibly ignorant you are here. Harvesting that you suggest sending the unemployed "who have nothing better to do" is done by having large amounts often dozens cramped together in confined quarters who are lucky make a few euro an hour So not only are you forcing people into work which would make them worse off financially than the dole you are spreading it like wildfire amongst the workers You then have most of these who are fit and healthy thinking why the fcuk should we do this for feck all pay and still risk the virus when we could be back at normal work. Then more and more people who were ok toughen out lockdown and restrictions start to think "fcuk this let us back to our normal jobs" I am the exact same, I want to protect the elderly and vulrenable (which I'm part of) but your ignorance is just as bad as anyone that wants a survival of the fittest
Greentopia wrote: » There's a huge difference between giving a hand to help out in an emergency and the work rate of young guys from Bulgaria and Romania who are brought in to pick harvests in the UK, Netherlands, Germany and so on. They are professional farm workers who have high productivity rates and are used to starting work at 5am and working relentless back breaking toil for often 9 or 10 hours a day. Most of us do not have that kind of experience and would not put up with the kind of working conditions they do unless we're brought up on a veg farm. The Torys tried to coerce unemployed English to do that kind of work a while back and got very little takers and the ones that did do it some quit after one day because they were too soft/lazy/unwilling or unable and couldn't hack it. I worked on a few organic farms as a WOOFer and for horticultural work experience and even that was tough, and I didn't have to stretch myself to meet any production targets as the owners were all laid back hippy types :pac: I think it's great people saying ye'd muck in here and help out in a real crisis, and i definitely would too-meitheal spirit and all that, but it's not as simple as telling thousands of unemployed Irish people to get to work picking spuds and pay them pennies. It takes a certain work ethic, physical stamina, training and experience to do the job properly. And of course you'd have to pay them properly or else they'd just decide after a day it wasn't worth the extra few euro over the dole money.
JRant wrote: » I didn’t see anything today to justify keeping the economy locked down for another 3 weeks. Their figures on testing were wrong today. The projected numbers given at the first round of restrictions were so far off as to be laughable. RTE had figures up on their website earlier that more than 150 deaths had taken place but seems to be gone now. The median age is 81 for all deaths. Our main source of infection seem to be nursing homes and health care environments. Nearly 1 million people out of work, many of whom would be supporting elderly relatives. .
Tenzor07 wrote: » What will be more interesting is from the 5th of May how many restrictions will be removed. From what I read it will be partial, maybe going back to end of March before the current restrictions, and a removal of additional Garda powers. If this isn't going to be the case I would expect the Army to be on the streets to keep the rule of law.
Ace2007 wrote: » So it's ok for foreign nationals to pick these crops and possible risk their lives for pennies, but not ok for someone who may be currently unemployed? Said person doesn't have to lose their dole money if they volunteer to help out.
citysights wrote: » The poster says he or she would happily go and help because of the emergency we now find ourselves in and you turn it into a long drawn out rant and start making comparisons to the dole... Perplexing
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I don't think any Irish government even a temporary one would risk deploying armed soldiers against their own citizens. The army is not trained for a policing role.
JRant wrote: » I presume the poster means people will just start ignoring restrictions en mass at that stage. Schools should open again at the start of May, along with most other businesses. Increased Personal hygiene and masks should also become widespread at that stage.
Padre_Pio wrote: » Not a chance will the army be out. Has the army ever been deployed? I remember the recession there were rumours but it didn't happen.
BanditLuke wrote: » Given the way people here are reacting after a couple of weeks of very lax lockdown i wouldn't be surprised to see the army out on the streets to enforce measures within a week or two.
JRant wrote: » We've never had such draconian restrictions before in this country either. I doubt the army would be used in all honesty. If it got to that stage the government have already lost the battle.
Tandey wrote: » Primary school teachers most certainly are off.
Greentopia wrote: » I wasn't ranting. I was explaining with the benefit of my own experience what it's actually like to do that kind of work. The dole reference is on relation to the above comment and I'm in agreement that most would rather keep their dole than work for peanuts doing such back breaking work if it was forced on them. Doing it by choice is a different matter. And I agreed and said it's laudable to want to help out, as would I if asked.
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » So not only are you forcing people into work which would make them worse off financially than the dole you are spreading it like wildfire amongst the workers
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thebaz wrote: » it is not a lax lockdown - in general Irish people have behaved well, most I have seen social distance and are respecful and keep the laws - yes a few idiots (the spitters) - but I thought we could have large scale rioting and looting by now, like 2 years ago - that has not happened - The Army on the street enforcing the law of an unstable Government would be a terrible scenario, right and left wing coup d'etats have happened before - so be careful what you wish for, I value my freedom.
thebaz wrote: » it is not a lax lockdown - in general Irish people have behaved well, most I have seen social distance and are respecful and keep the laws - yes a few idiots (the spitters) - but I thought we could have large scale rioting and looting by now, like 2 yers ago - that has not happened - The Army on the street enforcing the law of an unstable Government would be a terrible scenario, right and left wing coup d'etats have happened before - so be careful what you wish for, I value my freedom.
