Cupatae wrote: » They had a choice to make, protect the people or protect the economy, they chose the people, and rightly so imo we can always rebuild.. look at the UK tried to protect the economy and are paying a high price for it now.
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » If restrictions are lifted too soon before a vaccine is developed the annual death toll would be far higher than 10000. You could multiply that figure by a factor of 7 or 8.
Cupatae wrote: » Who looks after the sick ? when the hospitals get overrun? the healthy 20/30 yr olds are gonna look after who every in there family that is sick, there is no straight forward solution and i dont think there is any outcome now where the economy does take a massive hit its simply a case of buckle up. Infairness to the government i think they are making the right calls and doing the best they can, i dont think anyone wants a great depression style economy if it can be avoided.
donaghs wrote: » It’s easy for me to be an armchair commentator, but the Govt are taking the easier decisions. The Swedes are sticking their neck out. If the Govt were really serious about stopping covid they could have stopped the early cases coming from northern Italy! But guess what, that was politically difficult.
Deleted User wrote: » One thing that must be factored into the equation is that very sick people cannot work. Even if we just let nature/virus take its course this illness will cause a 14 day absence from work in each individual it causes a mild-moderate illness in. Then the more seriously afflicted you get people will likely be out of work up to a month. Considering it’s so infectious that’s a lot of sick people unable to work, even if we were to dispense with lives and overcrowd hospitals, and bring out the body bags and makeshift morgues. That’s a major toll on the economy in itself.
lord quackinton wrote: » It could take years to get a vaccineI don’t believe 70,000 people would die per year in Ireland from Covid if there were no restrictions What is the financial position of people Who think this lockdown madness should continue Are they loaded, work in public sector and think they will be fine, are they on state welfare and think cuts won’t touch them
Ulysses Gaze wrote: » Belief and proof are two different things. We just don't know. That is the problem.
Nermal wrote: » Twaddle, absolute twaddle. Show your work. Show how 80,000 people could die from this here, and show us your references.
niallo27 wrote: » You said earlier on you think 4 more weeks and some restrictions lifted. Now you are saying you dont want any restrictions lifted.
Cupatae wrote: » It is easy say that when you or anyone belong to you wasnt any of those people in North Italy, im sure if it was your own mother/father/sister/brother, your opinion wouldn't be as ruthless... The sweds... sticking there neck out.. or burying there heads in the snow...time will tell but going by the UK i wouldn't be putting money on it ending well, but i hope to god im wrong.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » You will be scarificing people no matter what. The deaths due to the economic devastation will be greater but never acknowledged.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Another risk due to the lockdown.https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1261194/Coronavirus-europe-news-food-shortage-farmer-fruit-vegetable-harvest-food-shortages-eu
Cupatae wrote: » Its easy say that, but if it was yours, your mother/father or grandparents and someone came up and said we have to let them die for the economic greater good would you still be as stalwart on that opinion? Its easy say it when your not the ones doing the dying, saying something and grim reality of it are two different things.
The farming industry is urgently seeking 80,000 labourers needed to pick and process fruit and vegetables. The workforce to harvest crops – largely from eastern Europe – is usually recruited at this time of year, but the block on international travel caused by the outbreak has made that impossible.
lord quackinton wrote: » And that swings both ways
Deleted User wrote: » The elderly mother / father / grandparents are going to have to stay cocooned for as long as it takes. We have to get things moving while protecting them
lbj666 wrote: » Show us your work so??? It was very clear from all the exponential graphs thrown round based on the growth in Italy last month. The number of cases were multiplying by 2 every 3 days, anywhere between a 1 and 5% death rate eventually leads to a frightening figure. How the **** people dont seem to grasp how serious this would have been if left uncontrolled is beyond me. Do you know why what i just said cant be proven wrong or right? because every bloody country has put in serious restrictions to curb it, we will never know whats it would have been like uncontrolled no country has dared to find out. If we ease restrictions and the rate of spread goes back to 6 people. Say if theres 500 cases on a particular day, they would have passed it on unknowing to 3,000. That 3,000 would have passed it to 18000. What about 500 cases on the following day, they would have passed it to 3,000. That 3,000 would have passed it to 18000 and so on and so on and so. Keep that cycle going over a month and a half and you have 800,000 cases , 1% death rate = 80,000. But of course if things starting escalating to that level again, we'd be back in our houses. So we wouldnt be able to prove that projection, nor would anyone want to dare try.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » It's not easy say it, but it's very easy reply emotionally if you wish but it doesn't change the fact we will know how many died from Covid but never the number as a result of the economic devastation . Both my grandparents were on hospital waiting lists before they died. We all will die no one is getting out of here alive.
Cupatae wrote: » I dunno that wouldnt sit right with me anyway, sacrificing people for the economy, and im glad we arent doing that id take any amount of economic devastation before willfully giving up on our at risk and elderly. As for the last line... if thats the attitude why bother at all.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Huge practical difficulties with doing this effectively...
Plumbthedepths wrote: » It's not an attitude its a fact. None of us are immortal.
Penfailed wrote: » "The Swedes are sticking their neck out." Yeah, by doing nothing. You think the Swedish are great for making the decision to do nothing but write off our government for not doing enough?! Yes, you're right, it's easy for you being an armchair commentator.
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