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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Plumbthedepths

Blueshoe wrote: »

Teachers are the real winners in all of this. Full whack for 5 months work (with little breaks in-between Christmas, Halloween etc)

Surely there is already a teacher basing thread for you to post that jibe in?

Edgware

Cupatae wrote: »

Why would there be 0 chance after 3 weeks? its the people themselves that benifit from it??? i dont get that mentality at all.

It should be done for as long as it takes to get rid of it or control it, and in the long run we will be better off for a small bit of suffering now, half arseing the effort cause people cba will just keep us in it longer.

The income supports are in for 12 weeks. They had this lockdown factored in but it was too much to announce in one go.
I could see a relaxation of lockdown that might allow some small businesses start up but under strict control.
Taoiseach Micheal Martin will probably announce that early in May.

niallo27

Cupatae wrote: »

Why would there be 0 chance after 3 weeks? its the people themselves that benifit from it??? i dont get that mentality at all.

It should be done for as long as it takes to get rid of it or control it, and in the long run we will be better off for a small bit of suffering now, half arseing the effort cause people cba will just keep us in it longer.

Yes but the vast majority will not benefit from it, we are doing it to protect the few, which is the right thing to do but for how long.

BanditLuke

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

They won't tighten them again. Once the lockdown is lifted it's gone. Too much damage if you open and lock repeatedly, both socially and economically.

They will tighten them when cases explode again and their hospitals get overcome, that's the plan. Open and close until the vaccine/cure

Greentopia

Idbatterim wrote: »

LOOOOOOOLLLL! the irish government working on a plan.

I bet it's not a cunning plan. Or even yanno... a plan.

Blueshoe

Edgware wrote: »

Maybe but bang goes the kids entitlement to a post Leaving Cert holiday to Corfu.
Altogether now "its not fair"

Teachers are the real winners in all of this. Full whack for 5 months work (with little breaks in-between Christmas, Halloween etc)

Anyway that's a different story

Discodog

So disappointing to have Simon Harris not being truthful. He stated on TV AM that the Garda powers were only given reluctantly & that the Cabinet really didn't want to allow them & only did so for the Easter weekend.

Now they instantly forget that & extend the powers for another three weeks.

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that people will follow instructions for another three weeks. But there is zero chance of any substantial level or compliance after that if there is not some relaxation of restrictions and a clear picture of what ‘normal’ looks like for the rest of the year

I think quiet a few will break the restrictions now, there is no plan in place. A lot of people will have lost confidence after today and I dont blame them.

lord quackinton

Until may 5 and no exit plan
I don’t care what people say on here - our political leaders will destroy this country

We will exit this with minimum deaths and an economy in the grave and it will be 100% the fault of every elected member of the dail

Spineless

Ulysses Gaze

facehugger99 wrote: »

They have none. They are terrified about being branded as murderers by social-media morons - avoiding this seems to be the extent of the 'plan'.

They are more concerned with their own political reputations than by actually leading and making tough decisions - there will be a price to be paid for all this..

We're just going to have to learn to accept our standard of living is going to be decimated for a while.

No four/five holiday trips abroad every year. No takeouts every two nights because we are too lazy to cook. No new iPhones every year. No new cars every year or so "bought" on the never-never of lease-back. No more blowing €100 on a night out.

Pensions are going to be hit badly. Mortgages will have to be shifted to multi-generational ones.

But we will survive and rebuild. We did it after WW1 and Spanish flu. And after WW2.

Greentopia

AdamD wrote: »

Yeah if the june bank holiday is brought up as a reason for the next delay..

The government filled me with no confidence whatsoever there. What is the actual plan? Delay? Eradicate? Varadkar said there's a worry if they lift it too soon the virus will spread again. Sorry, the virus will spread again no matter when they lift this. So there has to be a full reasoning behind delaying this (hospital capacity presumably) but they haven't given the public any information on targets or how that would be measured.

"We haven't got the organisational skills, planning or initiative to do proper contact tracing, testing, temperature checks and quarantine at airports, or ability to manufacture or obtain enough masks for everyone to allow the kind of gradual re-opening and return to normality other countries in Europe are doing or planning right now, so we're just going to extend and see what happens in the UK then follow them like lemmings".

Basically.

[Deleted User]

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Have you got a link to that? Cos from everything I've seen there's not enough antibodies left in peoples blood to make these tests reliable..

Also if it is the case that there's a miracle antibody detection test, I can imagine a lot of people going out to get infected so once recovered can claim immunity and are able to go on without restriction.

I know plenty in my family who will actively go out and try to contract this if antibody tests work and you can get some kind of ‘certificate’ to allow normal life to resume. We have actually talked about that prospect

Edgware

BanditLuke wrote: »

Yeah yeah but im ENTITLED to go to the beach or have a barbecue, it's sunny out ffs.

Maybe but bang goes the kids entitlement to a post Leaving Cert holiday to Corfu.
Altogether now "its not fair"

Plumbthedepths

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The European countries that are loosening their restrictions may very soon tighten up on them again if there is a large spike in deaths and ICU admissions.

They won't tighten them again. Once the lockdown is lifted it's gone. Too much damage if you open and lock repeatedly, both socially and economically.

Cupatae

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that people will follow instructions for another three weeks. But there is zero chance of any substantial level or compliance after that if there is not some relaxation of restrictions and a clear picture of what ‘normal’ looks like for the rest of the year

Why would there be 0 chance after 3 weeks? its the people themselves that benifit from it??? i dont get that mentality at all.

It should be done for as long as it takes to get rid of it or control it, and in the long run we will be better off for a small bit of suffering now, half arseing the effort cause people cba will just keep us in it longer.

Blueshoe

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The European countries that are loosening their restrictions may very soon tighten up on them again if there is a large spike in deaths and ICU admissions.

They might yeah or they might not.

Are you watching the daily updates from the Austrian government and learned about their particular situation?

I doubt they are doing it on a guess. Sure who knows let's see

Tenzor07

thebaz wrote: »

The anti-body testing system will be available in US in 2 weeks , should be a reliable one which it needs to be , given issues with Chinese PPE do not think I would rely on ther anti-body test - needs to be very accurate as , they will be used initially by healthcare workers, giveng them a green light to work with infected patients.

Have you got a link to that? Cos from everything I've seen there's not enough antibodies left in peoples blood to make these tests reliable..

Also if it is the case that there's a miracle antibody detection test, I can imagine a lot of people going out to get infected so once recovered can claim immunity and are able to go on without restriction.

[Deleted User]

BanditLuke wrote: »

Absolutely and it more than likely will be needed if people don't follow instructions.

I think that people will follow instructions for another three weeks. But there is zero chance of any substantial level or compliance after that if there is not some relaxation of restrictions and a clear picture of what ‘normal’ looks like for the rest of the year

Blueshoe

Sean 18 wrote: »

But the problem is when the lockdown is over foreign travel could start it all up again

Temporarily ban foreign travel. Problem solution

Cork Boy 53

Blueshoe wrote: »

Not a hope of it. Wuhan is back in business and other some European countries are starting to loosen restrictions.

3 short weeks will pass and the position will be reassessed with a likely loosening of the restrictions.

By the looks of it some people were struggling after 2 weeks so hopefully they can continue to hold firm for another 3.

The European countries that are loosening their restrictions may very soon tighten up on them again if there is a large spike in deaths and ICU admissions.

Blueshoe

Penfailed wrote: »

Yeah...but it's been going on there since December (maybe earlier). It's now April. Do you expect 3 months of lockdown/restrictions?

We had the benifit of knowing what was coming and acted quickly enough while China had to act on their feet.

Don't forget one of the main reasons the whole region was locked down for so long was to stop the virus spreading throughout China. They isolated the area.

Completely different situations

Sean 18

Blueshoe wrote: »

Not a hope of it. Wuhan is back in business and other some European countries are starting to loosen restrictions.

3 short weeks will pass and the position will be reassessed with a likely loosening of the restrictions.

By the looks of it some people were struggling after 2 weeks so hopefully they can continue to hold firm for another 3.

But the problem is when the lockdown is over foreign travel could start it all up again

Plumbthedepths

After 3 weeks the virus will still be in the community like every other virus. We will have to co exist with and people are going to get it and die from it.

PP wouldn't gave them favourable odds of compilance after the May bank holiday. Chances will have to be taken for the greater good.

[Deleted User]

Logan Roy wrote: »

Wouldn’t an antibody test that enabled me to “wear an immune badge of honour” not just incentivize people to get infected ASAP lol.

Well that desire indeed could happen among the normally fit and healthy. However any infection can kill anybody if you are unlucky. There would have to be measures to counter this.

Penfailed

Blueshoe wrote: »

Wuhan is back in business

Yeah...but it's been going on there since December (maybe earlier). It's now April. Do you expect 3 months of lockdown/restrictions?

Blueshoe

Sean 18 wrote: »

5th of may announcement will be till after the June bank holiday then after June the August bank holiday

Not a hope of it. Wuhan is back in business and other some European countries are starting to loosen restrictions.

3 short weeks will pass and the position will be reassessed with a likely loosening of the restrictions.

By the looks of it some people were struggling after 2 weeks so hopefully they can continue to hold firm for another 3.

BanditLuke

Sean 18 wrote: »

5th of may announcement will be till after the June bank holiday then after June the August bank holiday

Absolutely and it more than likely will be needed if people don't follow instructions.

BanditLuke

Micky 32 wrote: »

Both my parents are in their 70’s. Both have heart conditions. Even so they are as fit and as active as me. But if this lockdown was lifted i know it would wipe them out that simple. That’s the type of carnage we could be faced with.

Yeah yeah but im ENTITLED to go to the beach or have a barbecue, it's sunny out ffs.

Nermal

AdamD wrote: »

What is the actual plan?

The plan is to shut down the country, at the cost of billions, in order to get us down to a manageable level of cases (though we won't tell you what that is, or how long it will take).

Then, we'll try to make sure everyone with the virus infects less than one other person.

Even though half the people who have it, don't know they have it.

And when you test people, 30% of the time when people have it, your test says they don't.

Oh and by the way, if restrictions are lifted enough for you to have a semblance of a normal life, it's actually infectious enough that you'll give it to more than five other people.

We're still working on the Powerpoint.

Sean 18

5th of may announcement will be till after the June bank holiday then after June the August bank holiday