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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Idbatterim

facehugger99 wrote: »

They have none. They are terrified about being branded as murderers by social-media morons - avoiding this seems to be the extent of the 'plan'.

They are more concerned with their own political reputations than by actually leading and making tough decisions - there will be a price to be paid for all this..

I love the predicatibility of it all and I can link back to god knows how many pages back, they will always take, what they perceive to be the easiest route out. They think it is now, yeah just wait. This is still semi novel and we are at the table enjoying the lovely meal, but this bill will arrive soon!

This bull**** is exactly what I had feared and I expressed those fears, several days ago on this thread!

Idbatterim

youd wonder how long this will told, I mean most people have zero respect for Fg and FF. Three weeks? FFS!

I can see it now, PO'D , Varadkar and a few others sat in a room, working this all out, Varadkar with his head in his phone , seeing how many Gram followers he has, PO'D asking if there is anything to be said, for another mass. Another minister proposing a report...

facehugger99

AdamD wrote: »

Yeah if the june bank holiday is brought up as a reason for the next delay..

The government filled me with no confidence whatsoever there. What is the actual plan? Delay? Eradicate? Varadkar said there's a worry if they lift it too soon the virus will spread again. Sorry, the virus will spread again no matter when they lift this. So there has to be a full reasoning behind delaying this (hospital capacity presumably) but they haven't given the public any information on targets or how that would be measured.

They have none. They are terrified about being branded as murderers by social-media morons - avoiding this seems to be the extent of the 'plan'.

They are more concerned with their own political reputations than by actually leading and making tough decisions - there will be a price to be paid for all this..

polesheep

They have duped the people by reducing this to two options: Lockdown or your loved ones die. Naturally we would all choose for our loved ones to live. What they haven't done is tell the people what other options there are. We are being led like donkeys.

thebaz

Micky 32 wrote: »

Both my parents are in their 70’s. Both have heart conditions. Even so they are as fit and as active as me. But if this lockdown was lifted i know it would wipe them out that simple. That’s the type of carnage we could be faced with.

That was point, I find it annoying people compianing about Cocooning for the elderly, when it is ther to benefit them , don't get it - its tough on everyone young and old and we all have elderly relatives, as well as young ones who are suffering a lot.

[Deleted User]

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Were't those Antibody tests supposed to be ineffective?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/coronavirus-testing-kits-could-be-unreliable-uk-scientists-say

They are only in development. It’s ongoing. Lots of these types of tests have been developed to be reliable in the past, this is on fast-track. I was most encouraged by the Horizon Special, it showed how the test is being developed, and how they are to make it reliable. It’s nicely in progress and nothing like it will ever have had as much investment as this. Multiple people in multiple locations are doing this, testing, testing, testing as we eat, breathe and sleep. We must be optimistic about this just as there was just cause for our pessimism that this crisis would evolve to where it is.

Plumbthedepths

nj27 wrote: »

What could be the downside to announcing the continuation of the current restrictions for another 2 weeks, followed by a review? Even if they know it's going to be continued again it would soften the blow and possibly help with compliance. I intend to keep sticking with the restrictions as I have been, but I'd be lying if there wasn't a part of me that said to hell with it.

They would lose what little trust they have and a lot of good will if they started taking people for fools like you suggest , even if that is not your intention

Logan Roy

Wouldn’t an antibody test that enabled me to “wear an immune badge of honour” not just incentivize people to get infected ASAP lol.

thebaz

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Were't those Antibody tests supposed to be ineffective?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/coronavirus-testing-kits-could-be-unreliable-uk-scientists-say

The anti-body testing system will be available in US in 2 weeks , should be a reliable one which it needs to be , given issues with Chinese PPE do not think I would rely on ther anti-body test - needs to be very accurate as , they will be used initially by healthcare workers, giveng them a green light to work with infected patients.

Cork Boy 53

YFlyer wrote: »

Was there any change in shopping restrictions?

No change in any of the restrictions other than to continue until at least 5th May.

punchdrunk

AdamD wrote: »

So there has to be a full reasoning behind delaying this (hospital capacity presumably) but they haven't given the public any information on targets or how that would be measured.

I would imagine that it's until the development of a system of far more rapid contact tracing testing and results and also devising an effective treatment strategy to reduce the mortality rate of it by some degree.

Greentopia

VinLieger wrote: »

And one of the few outlets people have left would be gone, your pious, ivory tower arrogance is disgusting

Muh beeeeeeerrrr!!!!

Give it a rest. I gave my honest opinion. I'm not telling people not to go to offies, I'm not calling on them to close. Even though I have a right to state whatever opinions I like about it. Don't like what I have to say? move on.

It's always amusing to state an opinion about alcohol that runs counter to the accepted popular narrative in this country and see the ones whose lives are so narrow and impoverished that living for the weekend in the pubs or getting wasted with the slabs o beer is all they live for, and start frothing at the mouth at the mention of tighter controls on alcohol. Sad.

nj27

What could be the downside to announcing the continuation of the current restrictions for another 2 weeks, followed by a review? Even if they know it's going to be continued again it would soften the blow and possibly help with compliance. I intend to keep sticking with the restrictions as I have been, but I'd be lying if there wasn't a part of me that said to hell with it.

Micky 32

thebaz wrote: »

This lockdown is primaily been extended to benefit the over 70's , since it is the elderly who are most at risk - what are you suggesting let the elderly carry on as normal , while the less at risk majority are forced to endure a lockdown and economic misery , and let casualty count soar - seriously

Both my parents are in their 70’s. Both have heart conditions. Even so they are as fit and as active as me. But if this lockdown was lifted i know it would wipe them out that simple. That’s the type of carnage we could be faced with.

Idbatterim

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Another 21 days of restrictions

Apparently they are working on a plan

Not convincing in that regard

LOOOOOOOLLLL! the irish government working on a plan, they will start commissioning several reports, that will never be used! thats their plan. Oh sorry, that is a bit harsh!

They will be sat with their fingers crossed, hoping by some mirable, a vaccine is found very soon. If there is one thing we know, its that the politicians here are absolute spoofers, with no vision or plan.

They are in a lose / lose situation in a way. By doing what they are doing, they are goind to be accused in a few weeks / months of damaging the economy and you could make an argument, society, far more than was necessary... If they didnt run health like a **** show, which they got destroyed for at election, we would have more ICU beds and medical staff etc. They have reaped what they have sowed in their own way!

you'd wonder, was the middle ground, to simply go back to the previous restrictions...

[Deleted User]

polesheep wrote: »

What about the June bank holiday? The August bank holiday? The October bank holiday?

Yeah if the june bank holiday is brought up as a reason for the next delay..

The government filled me with no confidence whatsoever there. What is the actual plan? Delay? Eradicate? Varadkar said there's a worry if they lift it too soon the virus will spread again. Sorry, the virus will spread again no matter when they lift this. So there has to be a full reasoning behind delaying this (hospital capacity presumably) but they haven't given the public any information on targets or how that would be measured.

[Deleted User]

Stheno wrote: »

I think you are being wildly optimistic as to a reliable and fast antibody test being widely available anytime soon

In what timeframe do you anticipate this?

If I gave my scientific secrets away i’d have to kill you

[Deleted User]

YFlyer wrote: »

Was there any change in shopping restrictions?

No, not that I comprehended.

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have been one of the doom & gloom merchants from the outset of the situation in China, I saw all this coming, wasn’t popular among people I know for my forecast. However, I do see light at the end of the tunnel. I believe that readily available and reliable antibody tests are going to be one major key to our freedom. Watching a documentary program I recorded last night, I can see development of this test is being speeded along, and one morning we will wake up to the news of its availability. It’s administration is likely to be under plan already, so as soon as it’s announced it will be likely less than two weeks before we can access it. Would likely be initially offered to those in frontline, then to those who had previously experienced symptoms, followed by others. Those who test antibody positive and totally clear of symptoms for over two weeks are likely to be allowed full freedoms by wearing a badge.

I think you are being wildly optimistic as to a reliable and fast antibody test being widely available anytime soon

In what timeframe do you anticipate this?

Tenzor07

Deleted User wrote: »

I have been one of the doom & gloom merchants from the outset of the situation in China, I saw all this coming, wasn’t popular among people I know for my forecast. However, I do see light at the end of the tunnel. I believe that readily available and reliable antibody tests are going to be one major key to our freedom..

Were't those Antibody tests supposed to be ineffective?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/coronavirus-testing-kits-could-be-unreliable-uk-scientists-say

Pretzill

KrustyUCC wrote: »

What light?

I meant in relation to our health service getting through the pandemic - without everything going to sh1t.

Allinall

YFlyer wrote: »

Was there any change in shopping restrictions?

I don’t think there were any changes to the restrictions.

However, I get the impression they will be enforced more strictly.

KrustyUCC

No further restrictions just an expansion to the 5th of May

Three extra weeks

thebaz

brutes1 wrote: »

No plan obviously . No proposals. No future

I wonder what the over 70s think, have they been asked or are they just to be treated as antiques locked away ?

This lockdown is primaily been extended to benefit the over 70's , since it is the elderly who are most at risk - what are you suggesting let the elderly carry on as normal , while the less at risk majority are forced to endure a lockdown and economic misery , and let casualty count soar - seriously

Penfailed

Cyrus wrote: »

the restrictions will start to be lifted, if not on Sunday, then the following weekend,

itll be a gradual thing and we may end up taking one step forward and two back at points but rest assured thats what will happen,

This hasn't aged well...

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't believe you're right. Also realistically don't want loads going out for a bank holiday weekend.

What about the June bank holiday? The August bank holiday? The October bank holiday?

YFlyer

Was there any change in shopping restrictions?

KrustyUCC

Pretzill wrote: »

3 more weeks will be tough particularly for those cocooning (not all over 70) and for those of us whose jobs may have been terminally affected.

I do see some light at the end of the tunnel though and hope that will be true in three weeks time. Maybe this thread could be closed until then?

What light?

From March 12th to 28th is 16 days

Now 28th to 5th of May 39 days of further restrictions

No real plan for 5th of May

We're doing really well but well enough

Rinse and repeat before the 5th

Greentopia

normanoffside wrote: »

I really dislike this trait we have developed in the last week of spying and telling on people because of assumptions not facts.
Especially for things that ordinarily are not seen as wrong.

It's not healthy for the people spying and definitely not healthy for society as a whole.

I wouldn't say spying is a good thing, but there's some evidence to show that applying social pressures to conform can have a beneficial effect in society if it's done for the overall betterment of that society. I could point to one or two countries in Europe where it's the norm and has resulted in well organised, clean and efficient countries.

It's a big reason why Sweden didn't have to clamp down hard on restrictions for example.

citysights

Minister McHugh should have a translator.