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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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KiKi III

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Well if it’s more than one then he’s got a chronic eating disorder and his obesity & probable diabetes are an affront to and a drain on the rest of us

You’re not smart enough to figure out a user called Kiki with a female avatar isn’t a he so I’ll be leaving you to it too.

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

If this is the level of discussion you’re capable of, I’ll leave you to it. Have a good afternoon.

So before you throw stones - lay off the shopping - I'd say you are one of these 3/4 times a week +

Be safe - shop less.

brickysession

Last week, I saw it gradually getting busier and busier and I thought about ringing the station and letting them know they might want to send someone down. It wasn’t the Stasi level stuff people on here are envisioning.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you, I too see an increase in cars and bodies around Waterford City and surrounds in recent days. I am sure everyone is going stir crazy at this stage and would understand why people would want out of the house, I totally get that.

Again, I hope with adherence to the restrictions and people taking personal responsibility and doing their own bit, collectively we will end this sooner rather than later.

FixdePitchmark

brickysession wrote: »

Last week, I saw it gradually getting busier and busier and I thought about ringing the station and letting them know they might want to send someone down. It wasn’t the Stasi level stuff people on here are envisioning.

I agree with you, I too see an increase in cars and bodies around Waterford City and surrounds in recent days. I am sure everyone is going stir crazy at this stage and would understand why people would want out of the house, I totally get that.

Again, I hope with adherence to the restrictions and people taking personal responsibility and doing their own bit, collectively we will end this sooner rather than later.[/QUOTE]

Sorry - you can leave your house ?

[Deleted User]

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Great craic here by the canal in rathmines, plenty boozing and even a dude playing guitar, happy days

take a picture?

MOH

KiKi III wrote: »

You can also get booze in most small local Centras? You’re proving my point more than your own. Offy not necessary.

So you want to take the people who are queueing and shopping for alcohol in off licenses, and the people who are queuing and shopping for food and other necessities in supermarkets, and merge the two so they're all now queuing and shopping in the same place?

Yeah, that sound like a genius way to reduce transmission

Poor_old_gill

KiKi III wrote: »

You’re not smart enough to figure out a user called Kiki with a female avatar isn’t a he so I’ll be leaving you to it too.

Can’t see avatars on my phone- enjoy your food shop chubbs, your holier then thou attitude will be missed

Logan Roy

KiKi III wrote: »

You’re not smart enough to figure out a user called Kiki with a female avatar isn’t a he so I’ll be leaving you to it too.

I thought your avatar was Ron Weasley tbh

normanoffside

glasso wrote: »

I believe that this data is very important in terms of phase II and relaxation of restrictions

https://reason.com/2020/04/09/preliminary-german-study-shows-a-covid-19-infection-fatality-rate-of-about-0-4-percent/

the population of Gangelt is about 11,000. please note that antibody testing is testing after the fact, not for case numbers.

the infection fatality rate directly correlates to the infection ICU rate and the infection hospitalisation rate. if they are much lower than previously thought/ assumed then this could (and arguably should) influence the phase II plan

the measures have been directly linked to health service capacity and if that the situation is not as bad as thought in that regard that will be influenced.

of course having an accurate on-site (no lab) test and technology assisted contact tracing will be very important also.

The Iceland study also found a fatality rate of 0.37%.
Looks like that is the real figure

FixdePitchmark

MOH wrote: »

So you want to take the people who are queueing and shopping for alcohol in off licenses, and the people who are queuing and shopping for food and other necessities in supermarkets, and merge the two so they're all now queuing and shopping in the same place?

Yeah, that sound like a genius way to reduce transmission

Trip to local shop and off license or even do both in one - 5 mins little to no people

Tescos - 1 hour with 100s of people.

Close small shop :eek:

brickysession

Sorry - you can leave your house ?

[/QUOTE]

Now you tell me

:D:D

KiKi III

MOH wrote: »

So you want to take the people who are queueing and shopping for alcohol in off licenses, and the people who are queuing and shopping for food and other necessities in supermarkets, and merge the two so they're all now queuing and shopping in the same place?

Yeah, that sound like a genius way to reduce transmission

The people who are queuing in the offy are also queuing in the supermarket.

I’m sugggesting they put a few bottles of wine or beer into their trolley and queue once in one location instead of twice in two locations.

It’s not rocket science.

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

The people who are queuing in the offy are also queuing in the supermarket.

I’m sugggesting they put a few bottles of wine or beer into their trolley and queue once in one location instead of twice in two locations.

It’s not rocket science.

There is no queue - there are less people and less time.

It is risk science - not rocket.

KiKi III

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

There is no queue - there are less people and less time.

It is risk science - not rocket.

Food shop = 1 queue
Offy = 1 queue

1 + 1 = 2

Buy your food and drink together = 1 queue total

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

Food shop = 1 queue
Offy = 1 queue

1 + 1 = 2

Buy your food and drink together = 1 queue total

It is time and number of people - you don't get this ?

lfc200

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Government press conference due at 4pm.

Where have you seen this?
Cheers

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

Food shop = 1 queue
Offy = 1 queue

1 + 1 = 2

Buy your food and drink together = 1 queue total

And if you want it in your wrong maths format for you

Trips*(1)*Time = Risk Rating
you = 5000

Me
Trips*(1+1)*200 = 400

KiKi III

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

It is time and number of people - you don't get this ?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

If you encounter 25 people in the shop and 5 in the offy, you’ve increased the total number of people interacted with by 25%.

Two trips to two locations is a greater risk than one trip to one location. Especially when that one location is the essential one and the second is completely optional.

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

If you encounter 25 people in the shop and 5 in the offy, you’ve increased the total number of people interacted with by 25%.

Two trips to two locations is a greater risk than one trip to one location. Especially when that one location is the essential one and the second is completely optional.

But - I keep telling you there are 100s in tesco combined with lots of time - and zero in small local shop.
And very few in local centra.

You do not need to go to a big shop - (maybe once every 2 weeks)

and in particular not as often as you are.

You are the problem going shopping all the time to entertain yourelf.

ThewhiteJesus

glasso wrote: »

take a picture?

The dude playing guitar is polish and looks ex military so no chance, he is good though. He’s just gone and Gardaí walking around but only asking where people live

MOH

KiKi III wrote: »

The people who are queuing in the offy are also queuing in the supermarket.

I’m sugggesting they put a few bottles of wine or beer into their trolley and queue once in one location instead of twice in two locations.

It’s not rocket science.

Can you please provide a reliable source of figures to prove the percentages of people who are queueing in the off licence who are also then going and queueing in the supermarket?

Because basic common sense would suggest that people who were out to shop for both food and drink would indeed go to the supermarket and buy both there since, as you so astutely pointed out, it is not in fact rocket science.

But the fact that people are still going to off licences would suggest either they're totally unaware of this - in which case perhaps we need to kind of government information campaign to make people aware that they can buy alcohol in supermarkets - or that they're actually just buying alcohol, in which case they're quite logically doing so in a premises designated specifically for that purpose, rather than wasting other people's time taking up valuable space in a supermarket.

Have you also considered closing chemists? You can buy paracetemol and the like in a supermarket. Or maybe just keep them for prescriptions only.
And all forms of takeaway food - you can buy food in a supermarket, and take it away. I bet if we put our thinking caps on we can come up with a whole range of businesses we can shut down. For the good of the country, of course.

pgj2015

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Great craic here by the canal in rathmines, plenty boozing and even a dude playing guitar, happy days

There is always 1 ar$ehole with a guitar isnt there.

KiKi III

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

But - I keep telling you there are 100s in tesco - and zero in small local shop.
And very few in local centra.

You do not need to go to a big shop - (maybe once every 2 weeks)

and in particular not as often as you are.

You are the problem going shopping all the time to entertain yourelf.

This will be my last post to you because at this stage I actually think you’re just trolling.

Just in case you’re not: There are no shops with hundreds of people in them. Supermarkets are operating very strict one in one out policies so that a limited number of people are inside at any given time and you encounter very few of them directly.

You are just making up things about me and my shopping habits either to troll or because it’s easier than discussing things with me based on logic, which seems to be an issue for you.

FixdePitchmark

MOH wrote: »

Can you please provide a reliable source of figures to prove the percentages of people who are queueing in the off licence who are also then going and queueing in the supermarket?

Because basic common sense would suggest that people who were out to shop for both food and drink would indeed go to the supermarket and buy both there since, as you so astutely pointed out, it is not in fact rocket science.

But the fact that people are still going to off licences would suggest either they're totally unaware of this - in which case perhaps we need to kind of government information campaign to make people aware that they can buy alcohol in supermarkets - or that they're actually just buying alcohol, in which case they're quite logically doing so in a premises designated specifically for that purpose, rather than wasting other people's time taking up valuable space in a supermarket.

Have you also considered closing chemists? You can buy paracetemol and the like in a supermarket. Or maybe just keep them for prescriptions only.
And all forms of takeaway food - you can buy food in a supermarket, and take it away. I bet if we put our thinking caps on we can come up with a whole range of businesses we can shut down. For the good of the country, of course.

Farms have to grow food too - could we close shops.

ThewhiteJesus

pgj2015 wrote: »

There is always 1 ar$ehole with a guitar isnt there.

Yes asking for trouble, he’s good though wish you were here followed by tears in heaven so good taste

KiKi III

MOH wrote: »

Can you please provide a reliable source of figures to prove the percentages of people who are queueing in the off licence who are also then going and queueing in the supermarket?

Because basic common sense would suggest that people who were out to shop for both food and drink would indeed go to the supermarket and buy both there since, as you so astutely pointed out, it is not in fact rocket science.

But the fact that people are still going to off licences would suggest either they're totally unaware of this - in which case perhaps we need to kind of government information campaign to make people aware that they can buy alcohol in supermarkets - or that they're actually just buying alcohol, in which case they're quite logically doing so in a premises designated specifically for that purpose, rather than wasting other people's time taking up valuable space in a supermarket.

Have you also considered closing chemists? You can buy paracetemol and the like in a supermarket. Or maybe just keep them for prescriptions only.
And all forms of takeaway food - you can buy food in a supermarket, and take it away. I bet if we put our thinking caps on we can come up with a whole range of businesses we can shut down. For the good of the country, of course.

It’s amazing to me that people on this thread genuinely seem to equate food and medicine with alcohol in terms of necessity. Have a think on that.

Poor_old_gill

MOH wrote: »

Can you please provide a reliable source of figures to prove the percentages of people who are queueing in the off licence who are also then going and queueing in the supermarket?

Because basic common sense would suggest that people who were out to shop for both food and drink would indeed go to the supermarket and buy both there since, as you so astutely pointed out, it is not in fact rocket science.

But the fact that people are still going to off licences would suggest either they're totally unaware of this - in which case perhaps we need to kind of government information campaign to make people aware that they can buy alcohol in supermarkets - or that they're actually just buying alcohol, in which case they're quite logically doing so in a premises designated specifically for that purpose, rather than wasting other people's time taking up valuable space in a supermarket.

Have you also considered closing chemists? You can buy paracetemol and the like in a supermarket. Or maybe just keep them for prescriptions only.
And all forms of takeaway food - you can buy food in a supermarket, and take it away. I bet if we put our thinking caps on we can come up with a whole range of businesses we can shut down. For the good of the country, of course.

Dont even bother trying to point out this logic - I've been doing so for about 10 pages now and all you'll get is some smug response about alcoholism.

never_mind

KiKi III wrote: »

Food shop = 1 queue
Offy = 1 queue

1 + 1 = 2

Buy your food and drink together = 1 queue total

*bangs head on table*

So one big long cue is better than two small ones? Are we honestly that bored that we are debating this?

Poor_old_gill

KiKi III wrote: »

It’s amazing to me that people on this thread genuinely seem to equate food and medicine with alcohol in terms of necessity. Have a think on that.

But in this instance, according to you logic, people are making unnecessary trips because they have not bought enough food.

How can you not get this? You are accusing others of trolling but you keep showing an inability to understand really basic logic.

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

This will be my last post to you because at this stage I actually think you’re just trolling.

Just in case you’re not: There are no shops with hundreds of people in them. Supermarkets are operating very strict one in one out policies so that a limited number of people are inside at any given time and you encounter very few of them directly.

You are just making up things about me and my shopping habits either to troll or because it’s easier than discussing things with me based on logic, which seems to be an issue for you.

You have to queue to get into most shops and there are 100s in my local Tesco - so won't go.

I genuinely think people shopping too much is a big problem. But you will not say how much you go shopping. It is a reasonable question and is relevant to the biggest risk out there at present - shopping.

I see a sizable group of middle class out shopping way too much and this has had little or no impact on their shopping habits - they are actually shopping more and not being responsible about it.

If everyone just shopped less it would help things a lot.
sales up well over 20 %.