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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

Food shop = 1 queue
Offy = 1 queue

1 + 1 = 2

Buy your food and drink together = 1 queue total

It is time and number of people - you don't get this ?

KiKi III

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

There is no queue - there are less people and less time.

It is risk science - not rocket.

Food shop = 1 queue
Offy = 1 queue

1 + 1 = 2

Buy your food and drink together = 1 queue total

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

The people who are queuing in the offy are also queuing in the supermarket.

I’m sugggesting they put a few bottles of wine or beer into their trolley and queue once in one location instead of twice in two locations.

It’s not rocket science.

There is no queue - there are less people and less time.

It is risk science - not rocket.

KiKi III

MOH wrote: »

So you want to take the people who are queueing and shopping for alcohol in off licenses, and the people who are queuing and shopping for food and other necessities in supermarkets, and merge the two so they're all now queuing and shopping in the same place?

Yeah, that sound like a genius way to reduce transmission

The people who are queuing in the offy are also queuing in the supermarket.

I’m sugggesting they put a few bottles of wine or beer into their trolley and queue once in one location instead of twice in two locations.

It’s not rocket science.

brickysession

Sorry - you can leave your house ?

[/QUOTE]

Now you tell me

:D:D

FixdePitchmark

MOH wrote: »

So you want to take the people who are queueing and shopping for alcohol in off licenses, and the people who are queuing and shopping for food and other necessities in supermarkets, and merge the two so they're all now queuing and shopping in the same place?

Yeah, that sound like a genius way to reduce transmission

Trip to local shop and off license or even do both in one - 5 mins little to no people

Tescos - 1 hour with 100s of people.

Close small shop :eek:

normanoffside

glasso wrote: »

I believe that this data is very important in terms of phase II and relaxation of restrictions

https://reason.com/2020/04/09/preliminary-german-study-shows-a-covid-19-infection-fatality-rate-of-about-0-4-percent/

the population of Gangelt is about 11,000. please note that antibody testing is testing after the fact, not for case numbers.

the infection fatality rate directly correlates to the infection ICU rate and the infection hospitalisation rate. if they are much lower than previously thought/ assumed then this could (and arguably should) influence the phase II plan

the measures have been directly linked to health service capacity and if that the situation is not as bad as thought in that regard that will be influenced.

of course having an accurate on-site (no lab) test and technology assisted contact tracing will be very important also.

The Iceland study also found a fatality rate of 0.37%.
Looks like that is the real figure

Logan Roy

KiKi III wrote: »

You’re not smart enough to figure out a user called Kiki with a female avatar isn’t a he so I’ll be leaving you to it too.

I thought your avatar was Ron Weasley tbh

Poor_old_gill

KiKi III wrote: »

You’re not smart enough to figure out a user called Kiki with a female avatar isn’t a he so I’ll be leaving you to it too.

Can’t see avatars on my phone- enjoy your food shop chubbs, your holier then thou attitude will be missed

MOH

KiKi III wrote: »

You can also get booze in most small local Centras? You’re proving my point more than your own. Offy not necessary.

So you want to take the people who are queueing and shopping for alcohol in off licenses, and the people who are queuing and shopping for food and other necessities in supermarkets, and merge the two so they're all now queuing and shopping in the same place?

Yeah, that sound like a genius way to reduce transmission

[Deleted User]

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Great craic here by the canal in rathmines, plenty boozing and even a dude playing guitar, happy days

take a picture?

FixdePitchmark

brickysession wrote: »

Last week, I saw it gradually getting busier and busier and I thought about ringing the station and letting them know they might want to send someone down. It wasn’t the Stasi level stuff people on here are envisioning.

I agree with you, I too see an increase in cars and bodies around Waterford City and surrounds in recent days. I am sure everyone is going stir crazy at this stage and would understand why people would want out of the house, I totally get that.

Again, I hope with adherence to the restrictions and people taking personal responsibility and doing their own bit, collectively we will end this sooner rather than later.[/QUOTE]

Sorry - you can leave your house ?

brickysession

Last week, I saw it gradually getting busier and busier and I thought about ringing the station and letting them know they might want to send someone down. It wasn’t the Stasi level stuff people on here are envisioning.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you, I too see an increase in cars and bodies around Waterford City and surrounds in recent days. I am sure everyone is going stir crazy at this stage and would understand why people would want out of the house, I totally get that.

Again, I hope with adherence to the restrictions and people taking personal responsibility and doing their own bit, collectively we will end this sooner rather than later.

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

If this is the level of discussion you’re capable of, I’ll leave you to it. Have a good afternoon.

So before you throw stones - lay off the shopping - I'd say you are one of these 3/4 times a week +

Be safe - shop less.

KiKi III

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Well if it’s more than one then he’s got a chronic eating disorder and his obesity & probable diabetes are an affront to and a drain on the rest of us

You’re not smart enough to figure out a user called Kiki with a female avatar isn’t a he so I’ll be leaving you to it too.

ThewhiteJesus

Great craic here by the canal in rathmines, plenty boozing and even a dude playing guitar, happy days

KiKi III

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Were you on the way to the shops again ?

If this is the level of discussion you’re capable of, I’ll leave you to it. Have a good afternoon.

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

I haven’t answered because it’s irrelevant? And none of your business? What difference does it make to this discussion?

Because you are being very judgmental and dictatorial .

Shopping is the most dangerous activity that Irish people are doing by a long distance. And from your posting, I'm sensing you are shopping too much. I could be wrong ?

In the context of a fair discussion , with everyone sharing their experiences - it is a reasonable question.

Poor_old_gill

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

How many shopping trips are you doing a week.

Your refusal to answer makes me concerned ?

Well if it’s more than one then he’s got a chronic eating disorder and his obesity & probable diabetes are an affront to and a drain on the rest of us

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

Well, in the end I decided not to call them at all. But to answer your question, no I certainly wouldn’t call the Gardai for that.

I’m talking about an area where - in better times - when the weather gets good people come to hang out. There are usually a few skateboarders, maybe someone with a guitar, and lots of international people because there’s a language school nearby.

It’s usually a really good atmosphere, almost like a festival on a really good day. On those days there would often be a couple of Gardai patrolling and I’ve often thought “this area is a real handy number for a Garda to patrol” because there’s rarely any hassle.

Last week, I saw it gradually getting busier and busier and I thought about ringing the station and letting them know they might want to send someone down. It wasn’t the Stasi level stuff people on here are envisioning.

Were you on the way to the shops again ?

KiKi III

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

How many shopping trips are you doing a week.

Your refusal to answer makes me concerned ?

I haven’t answered because it’s irrelevant? And none of your business? What difference does it make to this discussion?

Cork Boy 53

Government press conference due at 4pm.

KiKi III

brickysession wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, if you see a 2 or more adults walking in close proximity will you call the Garda Station also?

Well, in the end I decided not to call them at all. But to answer your question, no I certainly wouldn’t call the Gardai for that.

I’m talking about an area where - in better times - when the weather gets good people come to hang out. There are usually a few skateboarders, maybe someone with a guitar, and lots of international people because there’s a language school nearby.

It’s usually a really good atmosphere, almost like a festival on a really good day. On those days there would often be a couple of Gardai patrolling and I’ve often thought “this area is a real handy number for a Garda to patrol” because there’s rarely any hassle.

Last week, I saw it gradually getting busier and busier and I thought about ringing the station and letting them know they might want to send someone down. It wasn’t the Stasi level stuff people on here are envisioning.

topper75

Deleted User wrote: »

We are living in unprecedented times, why some people can't or won't follow simple guidelines is mildly frustrating. Unfortunately there is no cure for stupid.

Simple guidelines are the ones I always tend to scrutinise most.

Let the authorities know about those yids Oskar and don't try hiding them like a fool. Move to the back of the bus Rosa where your kind belong you dumb bitch. No it all revolves around planet Earth Nicolaus you absolute amadán.

I don't anybody should ever 'follow' anything. I think they should instead concur on a rationale basis with a suggested approach. Where there is no rationale or a flaw in the rationale, I won't blame people. In fact, I am rather grateful to the outliers all through human history. I'd be swinging through trees in the jungle only for them.

In this war, we have armchair generals who have fighter jets and tanks posted all over off licences, open-air parks, and garden centres while the enemy does blitzkrieg in our hospitals and nursing homes.

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

Well, we’re in agreement then for the most part.

Having said that, if you see someone breaking the window of a car or house to get into it, it’s always possible he is the rightful owner and simply forgot his keys and has no other way in - you’d probably report it though if, on balance, you thought it was a thief.

How many shopping trips are you doing a week.

Your refusal to answer makes me concerned ?

Plumbthedepths

KrustyUCC wrote: »

It's a licencing issue

If you shut off licences you have to close the drink aisle in supermarkets

The response almost writes itself......

KrustyUCC

KiKi III wrote: »

Yeah, I think essential should mean essential and I wouldn’t include off licenses in this.

Very easy to pick up your beers and a paper at the supermarket.

It's a licencing issue

If you shut off licences you have to close the drink aisle in supermarkets

Spanish Eyes

I think pubs and clubs will be very slow to reopen. I mean how could the publican impose social distancing, and sure isn't social interraction (along with a few drinks) the whole purpose of going to the pub? Same for cafes and restaurants although they might be able to separate the tables a bit more.

I dunno, it's a grim time we are going through, but so far we are ok and alive.

Poor_old_gill

normanoffside wrote: »

But someone might take a picture and with lack of a focus and distance judgement it might look like we are less than 1 metre apart.

Most people couldn't tell what 2 metres is anyway.

Or in a similar vein to the nearly all this thread- they could prob not tell what 2 metres is when they are queuing but they sure as hell could point out how everyone else isn’t 2 metres when driving by

KiKi III

normanoffside wrote: »

But you don't really know if people are breaking the 'rules' or not. You don't know if the little group in the park is a household, you are just assuming they are not.

I'm all for reporting obvious breaches (e.g. House parties) but any pictures i have seen on Social media of people in parks (and subsequent outrage in comments) I haven't actually been able to spot any clear breaches.

This culture of 'window phantoms' and 'keyhole Kates' spying on what other people are doing and working themselves into a tizzy about it is not a good thing.

Well, we’re in agreement then for the most part.

Having said that, if you see someone breaking the window of a car or house to get into it, it’s always possible he is the rightful owner and simply forgot his keys and has no other way in - you’d probably report it though if, on balance, you thought it was a thief.