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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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kalych

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Do you think pubs should be reopened now?

Impossible and pointless to impose social distancing in pubs. If you can't socialise you might as well share a drink with your mates over Zoom from the safety of your home.

Properly imposed social distancing in offies though actually reduces the strain on supermarkets and likely (obviously this is only my theory and needs confirming) slightly reduce the risk of transmission in crowded shops.

Blueshoe

Risteard81 wrote: »

I have a God-given right actually.

Did he come to you in a dream and tell you scoop away my son scoop away.

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

How much research have you done on this? As far as I can tell lidl are running things superbly. Well ran one in one out policy.

Off licences tend to be small and cramped, people pick up bottles and put them down again.

Have you been to an Off licence - two I have been in were excellent - way better shop numbers , hand cleaning and equipment to protect staff.

McHughes and OBriens - way way better than even getting into a supermarket.

I wont go to a supermarket now - too crazy and dangerious. Local small centra way to go at the right time. Lidl / Aldi / Supervalue - none worth going to , hand cleaning , etc not great and no real enforcement of anything, ,

Cork Boy 53

Risteard81 wrote: »

No business should be ordered to close.

The self-appointed regime in Dublin would be better closing permanently.

Really? And who would you replace them with?

nacho libre

Risteard81 wrote: »

So you've ignored my point about increasing supermarkets profits further whilst simultaneously cutting off everyone else's income streams.

Also think of the problem a long queue to get into the supermarket creates if we believe supermarkets are a source of contagion. If you close all off licenses, you will likely create panic buying of alcohol in supermarkets.

Rodin

kalych wrote: »

Do you work for / own a garden center, is that why you are pushing this?

I could murder a bag of compost.

KiKi III

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Have you been to an Off licence - two I have been in were excellent - way better shop numbers , hand cleaning and equipment to protect staff.

McHughes and OBriens - way way better than even getting into a supermarket.

I wont go to a supermarket now - too crazy and dangerious. Local small centra way to go at the right time. Lidl / Aldi / Supervalue - non worth going to , hand cleaning , etc not great and no real enforcement of anything, ,

Ummm. You’ll have to go to a supermarket because you’ll need food. You’ve just said you’ve made two unnecessary trips to off licenses and you’re trying to say you’re taking the safer option?

Risteard81

KiKi III wrote: »

Lots of people across a lot of sectors have been laid off. I’ve lost a large portion of my income. It’s certainly sad but I don’t see why off licence workers would be exempt.

So why should huge foreign-owned supermarkets be exempt?

thebaz

Gael23 wrote: »

Because long term such a policy has significant social and psychological consequences. Also parents working from home for the foreseeable future need grandparents to help with childcare

you seam to fail to see that that the elderly are the most at risk from this virus - the restrictions are in place to save them not punish them - if the restrictions are to work, the most at risk need to heed them the most - Society is putting huge effort to protect the very people, you are so keen to put at risk - really dont get it - its difficult for everyone, can you imagine how young teenagers and youth feal cocooned inside for nearly a month , when they are much less a risk than the elderly ?

Plumbthedepths

kalych wrote: »

Do you work for / own a garden center, is that why you are pushing this?

I was asked a question , I answered. I think either can provide an outlet for people to cope. Anything to add yourself? Or like others do you just wish to snipe at positive suggestions?

Risteard81

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Really? And who would you replace them with?

The true Irish Republic.

rusty the athlete

Phoebas wrote: »

Strict cocooning of at risk groups until the vaccine arrives.

What utter BS. You have no idea of when a vaccine arrives and no idea of the psychological and physical deterioration that this wretched cocooning is causing. It could be 12 months or more before a vaccine arrives. I presume you find its acceptable to incarcerate cocoonees for this length of time. You should reread your posts before submitting such garbage.

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May be a stupid question but with regard to herd immunity - does this mean let everyone get the disease and then we will all be immune to it (of those who survive)?

KiKi III

Risteard81 wrote: »

So why should huge foreign-owned supermarkets be exempt?

Because people need to eat. Does that really need explaining?

Starting to get an idea of your real angle here with the reference to “foreign-owned” supermarkets.

Nermal

Juwwi wrote: »

It's all about the hospitals ,, there will be no
lifting of restrictionss untill they have them under control .

How can we have a country up and running if the hospitals break down and people from road traffic incidents are left at the door of a hospital.

If restrictions were lifted today in 2 weeks hospitals would be at full capacity.

So what? Build a tent outside the hospital and triage.

It could be a really flashy tent if you like.

It will cost less than the hundreds of millions of euro we're setting on fire every week at present.

timmy_mallet

KiKi III wrote: »

Ummm. You’ll have to go to a supermarket because you’ll need food. You’ve just said you’ve made two unnecessary trips to off licenses and you’re trying to say you’re taking the safer option?

If we really want to be safe, going to the supermarket is unnecessary too, if they deliver. I don't see why people can't get a large freezer delivered and then fill it with frozen meat, fruit and vegetables for at least one month.

Even opening the windows of your home is a risk, I would argue anyone opening them is putting the larger public at risk and should think twice about doing it.

Even more, leaving more than one room of your dwelling is adding to the risk, so should be discouraged.

kalych

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I was asked a question , I answered. I think either can provide an outlet for people to cope. Anything to add yourself? Or like others do you just wish to snipe at positive suggestions?

I can add that at this time of incredible pressure on our healthcare professionals daily working 16 hours shifts to save lives we owe them that much to listen to experts, not disgruntled people with too much time on their hands.

timmy_mallet

Nermal wrote: »

So what? Build a tent outside the hospital and triage.

It could be a really flashy tent if you like.

It will cost less than the hundreds of millions of euro we're setting on fire every week at present.

I don't know why nobody is proposing welding COVID hospitals and nursing homes shut, cocooning both the workers and patients from infecting the rest of society.

Cork Boy 53

Risteard81 wrote: »

The true Irish Republic.

The true Irish Republic is who exactly?

Blueshoe

Risteard81 wrote: »

So why should huge foreign-owned supermarkets be exempt?

Because that's where the food is sold from? The necessities like spuds and toilet paper are sold there.

People can collect raspberries from the bushes and use doc leaves if they choose but most prefer to buy their bits from large supermarkets.

Plumbthedepths

timmy_mallet wrote: »

If we really want to be safe, going to the supermarket is unnecessary too, if they deliver. I don't see why people can't get a large freezer delivered and then fill it with frozen meat, fruit and vegetables for at least one month.

Even opening the windows of your home is a risk, I would argue anyone opening them is putting the larger public at risk and should think twice about doing it.

Even more, leaving more than one room of your dwelling is adding to the risk, so should be discouraged.

Breathing is also definitely a risk, inhaling the virus best to stop that too. ;-)

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

Ummm. You’ll have to go to a supermarket because you’ll need food. You’ve just said you’ve made two unnecessary trips to off licenses and you’re trying to say you’re taking the safer option?

Centra locally has everything - way better set up - go early , place to self.
Same in an off license - no people , and good screen to staff - must be multiple orders of safety better than 100s people in the one place and looking in every area out of boredom.

Phoebas

rusty the athlete wrote: »

What utter BS. You have no idea of when a vaccine arrives and no idea of the psychological and physical deterioration that this wretched cocooning is causing. It could be 12 months or more before a vaccine arrives. I presume you find its acceptable to incarcerate cocoonees for this length of time. You should reread your posts before submitting such garbage.

It's not something I want to see, but I just can't see another way of protecting at risk people - and by the way cocooning doesn't necessarily mean making them stay in their homes - I'm sure we can devise ways that they can get out for periods in a safe way.

You clearly have an alternative solution. What is it?

timmy_mallet

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Breathing is also definitely a risk, inhaling the virus best to stop that too. ;-)

Agree, the best thing to do to stop the virus is for us all to die.

Risteard81

KiKi III wrote: »

Because people need to eat. Does that really need explaining?

Starting to get an idea of your real angle here with the reference to “foreign-owned” supermarkets.

So why shouldn't they only buy from small locally-owned shops and force all supermarkets to close?

Ulysses Gaze

Risteard81 wrote: »

The true Irish Republic.

And anyone that disagrees with you is a "Stater"?

FixdePitchmark

KiKi III wrote: »

Because people need to eat. Does that really need explaining?

Starting to get an idea of your real angle here with the reference to “foreign-owned” supermarkets.

How often are you going to a shop.

Anyone going more than once a week - is doing this wrong.

kalych

Risteard81 wrote: »

So why shouldn't they only buy from small locally-owned shops and force all supermarkets to close?

Because it channels more people into tighter spaces or makes them queue longer, which is basically the same thing at the time when we want to spread people out.

timmy_mallet

Risteard81 wrote: »

So why shouldn't they only buy from small locally-owned shops and force all supermarkets to close?

If someone can't see that a camping cooker inside your room with a large freezer and a monthly trip to the front door to collect your delivered groceries is the only way to stop this, they're an animal.

Plumbthedepths

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Agree, the best thing to do to stop the virus is for us all to die.

Most sensible solution I've heard so far. Maybe the government could send out suicide kits to every household. Similar to the iodine tablets after Chernobyl.