Gael23 wrote: » If they think older people will stay at home for 18 months they have another thing coming
JoeExotic81 wrote: » T If restrictions don't start getting eased in the next month or two, the damage will start to become irreversible in many aspects. Yes people will die due to this, but the idea that everyone stays in lockdown until a vaccine arrives is simply ridiculous and mental.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » A vaccine won't be rolled out for 18 months! Waiting for the vaccine is not a realistic solution. Why is this so hard for some people to comprehend?
Phoebas wrote: » I don't think anyone is suggesting continuing the lockdown until the vaccine arrives, but the only solution is the vaccine. The only question is how we manage transmission while we wait for the vaccine.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Hardware/garden centres to name two, now your turn any suggestions?
Sierra Oscar wrote: » If the virus is allowed to spread unchecked it will devastate the economy regardless. Do you really think people will be visiting shopping centres, attending large events or spending time in the company of others if there are thousands of infections daily and hundreds of deaths over a sustained period of time? There would be extreme panic which would effectively lead to a shutdown anyway.
niallo27 wrote: » What countries in europe are doing so much better than us, you really think a total shutdown in February would mean everything would be back open now, this is worldwide, it only takes a few people to start it all back up again.
Assetbacked wrote: » Far too many elderly people out for a walk where I live. Considering the measures are mainly to protect the likes of them as they are the ones to be affected the most by contracting the virus, it is disingenuous to force stringent measures on the vast majority of the population who won't be affected for too much longer. Perhaps another two weeks is the most I would say people have it in them to keep this up before it will be too difficult to enforce without bringing in socially destructive police enforcement (which won't happen).
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Ramp up testing people are still waiting up to 14 days for results which is ridiculous.Open business that can achieve good social distancing for a start. Have an economic expert as part of the advisory expert group to the government. Any suggestions yourself or is just sniping at others you are interested in?
JoeExotic81 wrote: » Trump is an absolute turnip but he is spot on with his new little catchphrase, "The cure cannot be worse than the problem itself". If restrictions don't start getting eased in the next month or two, the damage will start to become irreversible in many aspects. Yes people will die due to this, but the idea that everyone stays in lockdown until a vaccine arrives is simply ridiculous and mental.
thebaz wrote: » adopt a South Korea / Sweden approach -
According to the U.S-based John Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Centre, Sweden with a population of 10 million has recorded 6,830 COVID-19 cases with 401 deaths. “We will have more seriously ill people who need intensive care,” Prime Minister Stefan Lovfen told the local paper the Dagens Nyheter at the weekend. “We are facing thousands of deaths. We need to prepare for that,” he added. He said, although the virus spread slower in Sweden than Spain and Italy, it does not mean there will be fewer deaths. Sweden moving to stringent measures With the latest developments, Sweden is now taking further measures to stem the spread of the virus. Under the new legislation, the Swedish parliament will be consulted this week, before the government takes any new emergency steps, which will include shutting airports, train and bus stations and closing shops and restaurants. Banning social gatherings of more than 50 people, initiating online classes at universities and high schools are among the new measures being introduced by the government. On Sunday, Sweden’s King Carl XVI Gustaf addressed the public via television and asked them to stay at home during Easter break.
KiKi III wrote: » I believe both of those are due to open on Tuesday. They were legally allowed to open over the weekend but the government asked them not to to prevent a bank holiday rush and a spike in infection. I’d me more inclined to shut more things down than open them up. I don’t understand why newsagents and off licenses are open, couldn’t people get their booze and newspapers at the supermarket with the weekly shop?
Logan Roy wrote: » Did you post this in return for a pardon? :pac:
thebaz wrote: » Why are you so keen to remove restrictions to the elderly ? These restrictions are in place primarily to save ther lives - These restrictions are destroying many peoples future , including my own and many close to me - it is being done to save the vulnerable , which are the elderly and immuno-suppressed.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » So your answer is a deeper lockdown, grand so.
timmy_mallet wrote: » Plumbthedepths wrote: » Ramp up testing people are still waiting up to 14 days for results which is ridiculous. Right, which means also that the figures we see today for new cases is pointless to use a concrete measure of progress, yet decisions are being made with it.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Ramp up testing people are still waiting up to 14 days for results which is ridiculous.
KiKi III wrote: » Yeah, I think essential should mean essential and I wouldn’t include off licenses in this. Very easy to pick up your beers and a paper at the supermarket.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Thanks I'd prefer just to ignore you now.
KiKi III wrote: » By all means. I guess it’s easier than explaining why off licences need to be open?
Micky 32 wrote: » It’s not wise to restrict alcohol. There’s a lot of alcohol dependent people out there and alcoholics. If the supply was suddenly cut alcohol withdrawal can be deadly and put a further strain on the health system.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » We can't get older people to stay at home for 18 months but people here are telling us that the everyone including old and young need to stay at home until number of new cases drops to near zero, which will require a vaccine that is going to take 18 months to roll out. So the old won't stay at home to protect themselves but everyone else has to stay at home despite there being little risk to them!
