faceman wrote: » The media paints a very grim picture this morning of what the future holds. That coupled with the Times article on Thursday about the story of the signing of the new laws highlight that we are facing tough road ahead, one that will leave us scarred in ways that aren’t being talked about right now. I attended an online funeral yesterday for someone I should have been present for. His own son couldn’t attend the funeral due to international travel restrictions. We are merely existing right now and it’s a grim existence at that.
Blueshoe wrote: » This is good news. Just to add that Australia is totally reliant on China and Chinese companies have bought up massive amounts of Australian infrastructure.
faceman wrote: » We are merely existing right now and it’s a grim existence at that, temporarily.
stephenjmcd wrote: » ... May and June and possibly July.
Phoebas wrote: » And what happens in August, September, October .... I can't see any scenario where we don't have significant restrictions until the vaccine is rolled out.
Phoebas wrote: » I can't see any scenario where we don't have significant restrictions until the vaccine is rolled out.
timmy_mallet wrote: » Nolan said yesterday evening that if it wasnt 0 (zero) then no lifting of restrictions. De Gascun suggesting measures of social distancing to go on for a very long time.The medical professionals are telling you that this lockdown is not ending. What more do you need to hear to believe thay.
facehugger99 wrote: » The problem is that we're asking the wrong people the wrong questions. Ask a medical person what we need to do to eliminate the spread of the virus and they'll tell you to lockdown indefinitely. They aren't being asked what the economy and society will look like as a result of this - that's not the question they have been asked or are qualified to answer. The question has be be broader than 'how do we stop it?' The question should be 'what measures will give us the least-worst outcome for the most people?' We need more than medical professionals to answer that question. My question is - when do Government actually start to ask this question? - at the moment they are spectacularly failing to lead.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » The patient is now cured sadly the procedure killed him. They are allowing the economy to fall off a cliff which will have far more longer reaching consequences for the health service and the population than the present crisis.
stephenjmcd wrote: » Simply not going to happen and was even said by Harris yesterday. Social distancing might be in place but not these measures.
thebaz wrote: » The vaccine is 18 months away - ther is no way crurrent world lockdowns could continue beyond summer, society would breakdown, and ther would be worldwide hunger and other illness , including mental -
faceman wrote: » We are merely existing right now and it’s a grim existence at that.
thebaz wrote: » Very sorry for your loss - but fully agree about lack of discussion from anyone questioning current dictate, coming from WHO, on possible alternatives like Sweden and South Korea , I agree with what we are doing for now , for next 2 weeks , but the lack of discussion on the impact of all this on our society , particularly the young , lack of social contact and impending Mother of all recessions, and so little talked about this impact , which could be as bad if not worse than virus itself.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-oxfam-warns
Padre_Pio wrote: » I'm having a great auld time. Working from home in my jammies, ill get dressed soon and head out for a lunchtime walk. No commute, less stress, no inane office chit chat. I'm actually talking to friends and family more now, we have a Zoom quiz set up for the weekend. I could get used to this.
statto25 wrote: » Do you live on your own Padre?
Blueshoe wrote: » And what would you do differently? Given the reigns of power what would be your policy moving forward?
Padre_Pio wrote: » I'm having a great auld time. Working from home in my jammies, ill get dressed soon and head out for a lunchtime walk. No commute, less stress, no inane office chit chat. I'm actually talking to friends and family more now, we have a Zoom quiz set up for the weekend. I could get used to this. Chatting to friends too and they're loving it. Able to spend more quality time with their kids, weather has been good the past two weeks, bear in mind I live in the country, maybe city living is different.
facehugger99 wrote: » My question is - when do Government actually start to ask this question? - at the moment they are spectacularly failing to lead.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Ramp up testing people are still waiting up to 14 days for results which is ridiculous.Open business that can achieve good social distancing for a start. Have an economic expert as part of the advisory expert group to the government. Any suggestions yourself or is just sniping at others you are interested in?
Pitch n Putt wrote: » This is turning into a bit of a mess now. Peak always seems to be two weeks away. It’s obvious now that the government and advisory committee made a bad call with the current lockdown. There’s too many people working and on the move. This needed the hard lockdown two weeks ago. Medical ,carers and food distribution and supermarkets only. Everything else should have been stopped two weeks ago. We’re going to be messing around with a half arsed lockdown for 6 months at the way things are going now. What they are trying to do by keeping non essential so called essential businesses open is like trying to shove water up a hill in regards suppressing the virus and is only extending the current restrictions I reckon another 3-4 weeks and people will just have enough of this soft route with no end date in sight. We can’t carry on like this indefinitely. The way Philip Nolan was talking yesterday was maybe the true ideal scenario but it’s not possible or feasible to stay half locked down for another 6-9 months. May bank holiday is the most people will put up with I think and it’s going to be a tough job to expect people stay locked up after that.
KiKi III wrote: » Do people honestly think the economy will just start booming again if we open everything up?
lainey_d_123 wrote: » I do agree with most of this. I think a super strict lockdown for a very short time would have been far preferable to this situation. Imagine how different things would have been if the UK and Ireland had shut their borders back in early February and ordered everyone to stay at home for a month. There would have been loads of moaning and discontent but we could all up and running again by now, with far fewer deaths. People would have to cancel all their holidays for the rest of the year, which would be absolutely rubbish, but at least there would be mostly normal life - work, socialising, pubs, seeing friends. Now we're in this weird situation which isn't one thing or the other and which could go on for months more, and having gained nothing from waiting. Those crucial few weeks of head start we had on the likes of Italy were just squandered. I remember people at work in London saying 'oh but we only have 50 cases in the UK' and just shaking my head in disbelief. It just did not seem to get through to people how fast this thing moves. 50 cases is exactly when you SHOULD shut everything down, before it gets any worse. Look at how much better the countries who adopted this approach are doing.
KiKi III wrote: » There are a number of economists guiding the government. I know one of them. They came up with the €350/week social welfare plan and the employee retention plan for businesses. What businesses do you think could/should open?
