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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Pete_Cavan

Blueshoe wrote: »

Do as we always do in Ireland. Watch what other countries who are ahead of us do and copy their actions with some tweaks.
Our testing figures are way too low to get an accurate number of how many people have the virus. Slowly opening at this stage wouldn't be wise

Hospitalisations and deaths are the key stats. The reality is that no country knows how many have the virus, that gets figured out after the fact.

Plumbthedepths

Carfacemandog wrote: »

That sounds like little more than "fcuk 'em, don't care" if you're not even willing to think of ways to reduce their risk and exposure in the process.

Your plan is basically to copy what the UK did initially, even after they saw how badly it failed and moved away from it. How do you expect that to result in better results?

So what's your plan, easy to rubbish someone else's. Step up.

Logan Roy

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Your welcome.
If you’re happy with the current situation indefinitely I say fair play to you.

But there’s a couple of million people in Ireland I’m sure who are not interested in continuing life like this until a vaccine is found.

In my personal opinion we should have gone the hard route a month ago and be further down the road of suppression of this virus

This half attempt is going to wear thin with people.

It was a silly pun based on your username. I'm actually in the neither camp, I think the restrictions we have in place are largely working and i'd be in favour of releasing them gradually starting end of the month.

BruteStock

Lavinia wrote: »

Can you keep this kind

No.

Lavinia

BruteStock wrote: »

On Primetime last night they were basically telling us our lives are over for the foreseeable future.

then blah blah blah

Can you keep this kind of posting (new bot-bee)
for some political forum, poisoning every thread is really tiring at this point

this is about RELAXATION of measures, please read the topic title before posting thanks

Pete_Cavan

Carfacemandog wrote: »

That sounds like little more than "fcuk 'em, don't care" if you're not even willing to think of ways to reduce their risk and exposure in the process.

Your plan is basically to copy what the UK did initially, even after they saw how badly it failed and moved away from it. How do you expect that to result in better results?

Do you have a vaccine ready to roll out to the entire world population? Nobody else does so we are going to have to live with the virus for some time. People getting the virus and recovering is beneficial to the vulnerable and has to happen. Right now the vulnerable have to cacoon to avoid the virus, that is not saying "fcuk 'em, don't care". It is recognising reality, something you would benefit from doing.

It is not comparable to the UK course of action. With the initial outbreak, you need to introduce restrictions to inhibit the spread of the virus to prevent hospitals getting overwhelmed. The UK didn't do this and is paying for it now. Once you get over the initial phase you can ease restrictions. Hospital capacity gets ramped up, medical staff gain experience in treating the infected, drugs and procedures for preventing deaths are discovered, all mitigating the worst of the virus. Anyone who thinks having most of the population sit at home for months is going to eradicate the virus is kidding themselves. Viruses don't just disappear, they have to be suppressed either through vaccination or immunity. The vast majority of people will feel little or no impact from the virus and those that do will be more likely to survive.

Blueshoe

polesheep wrote: »

Not ten minutes ago you were saying zero chance.

Yes zero chance now. None whatsoever. Reassess in two weeks. Constantly changing situation.

BruteStock

On Primetime last night they were basically telling us our lives are over for the foreseeable future.

Not sure if they are to believed or not , but normality is certainly not coming back anytime soon. We need to send China back to the third world.

China were already on course to surpass the USA as a leading global power 20 years from now. The more this goes on , the more i believe China released this thing with the mission of devastating the Wests economy.

That Communist State should have been dealt with back in the 90's. It was foolish to became so dependant on them. Oh well , too late late now.
This is the beginning of the end for The West.. Every dog has its day.

polesheep

Blueshoe wrote: »

Great news. Let the whole population get the virus. Most will recover. Don't mind the others .Cough away at your desk, sneeze in your pint.

Pandemic my arse. Hon Kerry

You're a great man for adding words to other people's posts.

polesheep

Blueshoe wrote: »

2 more weeks of current restrictions then reassess. Always reassess and then reassess some more

Not ten minutes ago you were saying zero chance.

Blueshoe

citysights wrote: »

Jeez the misery porn is everywhere, so many people getting defeated by this misery porn it but many many people in fact the majority have made a full recovery too which is absolutely fantastic news. So there has to be optimism in there.

Great news. Let the whole population get the virus. Most will recover. Don't mind the others .Cough away at your desk, sneeze in your pint.

Pandemic my arse. Hon Kerry

polesheep

citysights wrote: »

Jeez the misery porn is everywhere, so many people getting defeated by this misery porn it but many many people in fact the majority have made a full recovery too which is absolutely fantastic news. So there has to be optimism in there.

It's based on fear. They don't just want to hide in a cave, they want everyone else in there with them.

Blueshoe

timmy_mallet wrote: »

And I'm saying there going nowhere forever.

2 more weeks of current restrictions then reassess. Always reassess and then reassess some more

citysights

Blueshoe wrote: »

You risk spreading the virus again and all of the misery, deaths and costs just begin again. Too soon friend. No chance of it happening for a while yet. Zero

Jeez the misery porn is everywhere, so many people getting defeated by this misery porn it but many many people in fact the majority have made a full recovery too which is absolutely fantastic news. So there has to be optimism in there.

Blueshoe

donaghs wrote: »

What would you suggest? Keep lockdown till there's no more cases identified?

The opening up can be gradual. But it has to happen to avoid a worse problem.

Do as we always do in Ireland. Watch what other countries who are ahead of us do and copy their actions with some tweaks.
Our testing figures are way too low to get an accurate number of how many people have the virus. Slowly opening at this stage wouldn't be wise

timmy_mallet

Blueshoe wrote: »

You have gotten your wires crossed. I'm saying that restrictions are going nowhere. Others saying they must be lifted

And I'm saying there going nowhere forever.

Pitch n Putt

Logan Roy wrote: »

Thanks for chipping in with your thoughts

Your welcome.
If you’re happy with the current situation indefinitely I say fair play to you.

But there’s a couple of million people in Ireland I’m sure who are not interested in continuing life like this until a vaccine is found.

In my personal opinion we should have gone the hard route a month ago and be further down the road of suppression of this virus

This half attempt is going to wear thin with people.

Phoebas

Carfacemandog wrote: »

That sounds like little more than "fcuk 'em, don't care" if you're not even willing to think of ways to reduce their risk and exposure in the process.

Your plan is basically to copy what the UK did initially, even after they saw how badly it failed and moved away from it. How do you expect that to result in better results?

It's not really.
The current lockdown is not sustainable for an extended period (i.e until the vaccine is rolled out), so we are going to have to gradually open things back up in the safest way possible, but that will involve putting healthy people at more risk.

Steer55

Blueshoe wrote: »

On another note the vhi still helped themselves to the monthly premium though which I am non too impressed about

Same here with Laya. Just wondering now that all private hospitals have for now being coopted into the public system, are they going to refund us?

polesheep

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The virus will continue to exist and people will continue to get infected. This is the reality everyone has to accept. Waiting for new infections to "dry up almost completely" means waiting for a vaccine to be developed, mass produced and administered to the population which is at least 18 months away at best. People are going to continue to get infected in all scenarios but the scenario that involves keeping everything shutdown also destroys the economy, results in significant deaths from other causes and does untold mental health damage.

This is absolutely it. At some point the government has to realise that we cannot have the perfect resolution the scientists will naturally seek, and they will have to ease the restrictions in line with hospital capabilities. Unfortunately, the elderly at risk and the immunocompromised will have to wait a little longer. Any people from the at risk group that I have spoken to recently realise this and have shown surprising equanimity. I don't think anything more than one extra week with restrictions as they are is justified. And anything more than two weeks will not be tolerated - we would see a fairly dramatic breakdown of compliance.

Blueshoe

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

There are lots of steps between lockdown and "business as usual". Social distancing, continued work from home to the greatest extent possible, no mass gatherings, etc. will all remain for some time but a lot of people could still go back to work.

You risk spreading the virus again and all of the misery, deaths and costs just begin again. Too soon friend. No chance of it happening for a while yet. Zero

Carfacemandog

donaghs wrote: »

There are ways to help the elderly. Testing nursing home residents and staff. Have a system of identifying elderly without family or friend support, and arrange a contact system for food, medicines and other services.

If someone could come up with a credible means of doing so and medical profession ask agreed for the most part, then I might be able to get on board with it.

donaghs

Blueshoe wrote: »

You haven't thought this through.

What would you suggest? Keep lockdown till there's no more cases identified?

How do you reach the ideal "ratio" with a proper testing system? We haven't and we wont have one in Ireland.

The opening up can be gradual. But it has to happen to avoid a worse problem.

Blueshoe

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Nolan said yesterday evening that if it wasnt 0 (zero) then no lifting of restrictions.

De Gascun suggesting measures of social distancing to go on for a very long time.

The medical professionals are telling you that this lockdown is not ending. What more do you need to hear to believe thay.

You have gotten your wires crossed. I'm saying that restrictions are going nowhere. Others saying they must be lifted

donaghs

Carfacemandog wrote: »

That sounds like little more than "fcuk 'em, don't care" if you're not even willing to think of ways to reduce their risk and exposure in the process.

Your plan is basically to copy what the UK did initially, even after they saw how badly it failed and moved away from it. How do you expect that to result in better results?

There are ways to help the elderly. Testing nursing home residents and staff. Have a system of identifying elderly without family or friend support, and arrange a contact system for food, medicines and other services.

Pete_Cavan

Blueshoe wrote: »

The rate must be firmly below 1:1 before business as usual returns. If you bothered to watch the daily press conferences you might learn something .

There are lots of steps between lockdown and "business as usual". Social distancing, continued work from home to the greatest extent possible, no mass gatherings, etc. will all remain for some time but a lot of people could still go back to work.

Blueshoe

donaghs wrote: »

If it means saving the future, I think some categories of young healthy people, you can avoid the vulnerable, should go back to work - globally. If they spread the virus among themselves and recover (less than half will even have any symptoms), then that will speed to return to normality.

There is 0.01% or so chance of death, but I think we need to be stoical about this, in order to prevent an even worse catastrophe in the form of a global Great Depression.

You haven't thought this through.

Phoebas

Blueshoe wrote: »

The rate must be firmly below 1:1 before business as usual returns. If you bothered to watch the daily press conferences you might learn something .

Not business as usual, but a relaxation of restrictions.
There is no BAU.

timmy_mallet

Blueshoe wrote: »

The rate must be firmly below 1:1 before business as usual returns. If you bothered to watch the daily press conferences you might learn something .

Nolan said yesterday evening that if it wasnt 0 (zero) then no lifting of restrictions.

De Gascun suggesting measures of social distancing to go on for a very long time.

The medical professionals are telling you that this lockdown is not ending. What more do you need to hear to believe thay.

donaghs

Blueshoe wrote: »

People cannot just get back to work and potentially continue to spread the virus. Until new infections dry up almost completely there will be no return to normality

If it means saving the future, I think some categories of young healthy people, you can avoid the vulnerable, should go back to work - globally. If they spread the virus among themselves and recover (less than half will even have any symptoms), then that will speed to return to normality.

There is 0.01% or so chance of death, but I think we need to be stoical about this, in order to prevent an even worse catastrophe in the form of a global Great Depression.