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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Tell me how

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'll refrain from answering you in the same manner but considering you are not in Ireland I fail to see why you have an issue with someone living under the restrictions here being concerned there is no exit plan being discussed.

You can't even grasp the concept of how it is possible that an Irish person is capable of being aware, interested and knowledgeable on what is going on in Ireland right now so that actually goes some way to making me understand why you are not grasping the need for the current strategy.

Jurgen Klopp

Researchers in Germany believe that current world confirmed cases represent only 6% of total infections

They believe the number of confirmed in the UK only represents 1.2% of their total infected :eek:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8204167/How-people-REALLY-infected-coronavirus.html

tromtipp

Some amount of Walter Mittys on this thread.

Heard that a lot back in January when we said the virus was heading this way. Look at what's happening in the countries three months ahead of us. And look at what's happening here now.

Cultural differences in what's acceptable are going to melt in the face of economic disaster.

statesaver

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'll refrain from answering you in the same manner but considering you are not in Ireland I fail to see why you have an issue with someone living under the restrictions here being concerned there is no exit plan being discussed.

Where does he live, do you know ?

flazio

tromtipp wrote: »

We aren't temperature screening, but the east asian countries that are containing CV are all doing it. Ditto phone tracking. Eventually the pressure to get the economy going again will lead us to places we couldn't have imagined three months ago.

Temperature screening would do sweet F all. You could be a carrier and not show any outward symptoms, in fact you're more dangerous that way. Hence symptoms or not you have to keep people 2 metres out of your breath zone.

[Deleted User]

Regarding restaurants reopening, my guess would be that they will initially have to donut in a booking only basis to ensure a that a maximum density isn’t exceeded. Don’t know how they would implement it, maybe on a basis of square footage of the restaurant dining area, number of staff required etc.

reg114

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just looking at the numbers on RTE the median age of all the victims to date is 81. 60% male . In 2016 the life expectancy of a male in Ireland was 81.6 years.
The confirmed cases are now well in excess of 6k with no recovered figures given . Surely the individual who tested positive in February no longer has the virus?
The testing needs to be ramped up and a clear road map to exiting this needs to be published.

Plenty of people will have recovered the gov simply arent following up with patients and documenting their recovery statistically, its that simple.

Logan Roy

tromtipp wrote: »

When they start opening up (not until at least after the May bank holiday, probably not till June) freedom of movement will be contingent on carrying a phone with a tracker on it, and wearing a face mask (home made will be encouraged). There will be temperature screening at shop, library, school etc entrances - raised temps will result in loss of movement privileges.

Schools and sports and pubs won't open in the first wave. Access to schools and pubs may be 'rationed' for a while with some groups allowed in one or two days a week only, to permit spacing out.

Anyone who can work from home will be encouraged to continue to do so.

Longer term, essential workers who have kept our world ticking over, particularly those in high risk jobs - shop workers, post delivery workers, carers, waste disposal operators - will realise how undervalued and vulnerable and necessary they are and will rediscover the value of being in a Union.

Our world will change in ways we can't really imagine.

Some amount of Walter Mittys on this thread.

tromtipp

We aren't temperature screening, but the east asian countries that are containing CV are all doing it. Ditto phone tracking. Eventually the pressure to get the economy going again will lead us to places we couldn't have imagined three months ago.

Stheno

Normally I find the briefing relatively useful but it annoyed me today

There were repeated questions about planning to lift restrictions and the criteria seem to be

1. An Ro below 1 - they know its somewhere around on but not what it is
2. A robust testing system - they dont have that and dont know when they will

Imagine another 2 or 3 weeks of the current restrictions and they still dont have either of these in place and restrictions have to remain due to that as opposed to non compliance by the public IP c?

Philip Nolan was brutal I thought, showing a model from when schools closed three ****ing weeks ago, not having one even up to the end of last week, and not knowing the Ro

He's a team of 50 working on this wtf are they doing?

Emmersonn

easypazz wrote: »

It would have to be.

No parent ever wants to out live their child.

Old people have lived their lives and it is not the same as a young child dying.

People need to be realistic about the age profile with this.

Maybe it would speed up things if all "Old People" were euthanised. Would you consider it for yourself just for the good of the majority.

beggars_bush

Blueshoe wrote: »

Down to 8% rise. Restrictions are working. Met 5 checkpoints today. Great to see although the smaller roads seemed busier.

https://youtu.be/DksSPZTZES0

A lot of cars going up our road that today I've never seen before

The road used to be used as a rat run to avoid the town

C__MC

Turning into a messy situation for the government
Testing behind the time frame
No clarity on restrictions
Exams up in the air
Nursing homes with lack of PPE

Leo and Simon may up their game

Plumbthedepths

Tell me how wrote: »

Ring Leo or Simon or Tony.

They're waiting on direction for what is the right move to make.

I'll refrain from answering you in the same manner but considering you are not in Ireland I fail to see why you have an issue with someone living under the restrictions here being concerned there is no exit plan being discussed.

gmisk

tromtipp wrote: »

When they start opening up (not until at least after the May bank holiday, probably not till June) freedom of movement will be contingent on carrying a phone with a tracker on it, and wearing a face mask (home made will be encouraged). There will be temperature screening at shop, library, school etc entrances - raised temps will result in loss of movement privileges.

Schools and sports and pubs won't open in the first wave. Access to schools and pubs may be 'rationed' for a while with some groups allowed in one or two days a week only, to permit spacing out.

Anyone who can work from home will be encouraged to continue to do so.

Longer term, essential workers who have kept our world ticking over, particularly those in high risk jobs - shop workers, post delivery workers, carers, waste disposal operators - will realise how undervalued and vulnerable and necessary they are and will rediscover the value of being in a Union.

Our world will change in ways we can't really imagine.

Yeah I can't see a lot of that happening.
Especially the phone tracker part...bizarre.
We also haven't temp screened anywhere as far as I can tell so why would we start now?

Tell me how

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just looking at the numbers on RTE the median age of all the victims to date is 81. 60% male . In 2016 the life expectancy of a male in Ireland was 81.6 years.
The confirmed cases are now well in excess of 6k with no recovered figures given . Surely the individual who tested positive in February no longer has the virus?
The testing needs to be ramped up and a clear road map to exiting this needs to be published.

Ring Leo or Simon or Tony.

They're waiting on direction for what is the right move to make.

Jurgen Klopp

tom1ie wrote: »

so ive read a lot of people predicting restrictions will be lifted by may and pubs back open in june.
Given a vaccine is about 14 months away at best, what do we think will happen to the infection rate then?

my take on it is the infection rate will spike again because surprise surprise we have no immunity against it as we have no vaccine.
therefore I'm not sure restrictions should be lifted.

Honestly as much as I'd love to be able keep lockdown until vaccine if it were realistically possible

I think we'll see at most 4 weeks added to current lockdown

Then reopening of lots stuff bar large gatherings, spectator sports, pubs and restaurants with previous restrictions but I expect mandatory mask wearing to be added has to be once we get HSE supplies stocked, seeing as so many European nations are heading that way

I'm in the vulrenable group but I just can't see how we can keep the economy strangled with lockdown and not tell all unemployed, disabled and pensioners eventually sorry lads but no more payments we're broke

Ditto for the HSE no meds replenished or broken ventilators replaced

Otherwise we may as well just do Sweden now as we'd be in that position but with worse health services

It upsets me greatly but I can't see no other way out bar we get a drug combo that reduces symptoms

I see some UK place saying they'll have a vaccine ready to roll by THIS autumn. Jesus don't fancy that if it's so rushed, the last time they did that a lot developed narcolepsy

Plumbthedepths

Just looking at the numbers on RTE the median age of all the victims to date is 81. 60% male . In 2016 the life expectancy of a male in Ireland was 81.6 years.
The confirmed cases are now well in excess of 6k with no recovered figures given . Surely the individual who tested positive in February no longer has the virus?
The testing needs to be ramped up and a clear road map to exiting this needs to be published.

tromtipp

When they start opening up (not until at least after the May bank holiday, probably not till June) freedom of movement will be contingent on carrying a phone with a tracker on it, and wearing a face mask (home made will be encouraged). There will be temperature screening at shop, library, school etc entrances - raised temps will result in loss of movement privileges.

Schools and sports and pubs won't open in the first wave. Access to schools and pubs may be 'rationed' for a while with some groups allowed in one or two days a week only, to permit spacing out.

Anyone who can work from home will be encouraged to continue to do so.

Longer term, essential workers who have kept our world ticking over, particularly those in high risk jobs - shop workers, post delivery workers, carers, waste disposal operators - will realise how undervalued and vulnerable and necessary they are and will rediscover the value of being in a Union.

Our world will change in ways we can't really imagine.

antodeco

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your opinion, or you have it on good authority?

Obviously my opinion. Boards.ie is a discussion form. Do you have it on good authority that it's not my opinion?

I am me123

Anyone know what time the Taoiseach's announcement is on T.V. tomorrow?

gmisk

ixoy wrote: »

Agreed but relatively low costs in the grander scheme of things. I don't even mean everyone either - but some working from home surely. I know of one place where they're doing shift work for example because it seems nobody can work from home because their capabilities are so poor. Is there no move to look at this?
Fairly well aware of some of these particular issues myself (sure even MS Azure is running into capacity problems) but as this may be around for a while, some moves are surely being made to address it at a local level.

I can honestly only speak from my experience in my department I am an AP btw not a PO. But the amount of money involved is high trust me.
But it will likely pay off because as I said we have the majority of people working from home with no issues, the longer it goes on the better value for the outlay.

Departments are doing their best to help each other out but their are limited IT resources in some government departments, especially those that have infrastructure etc that comes under OGCIO for example.

Thelonious Monk

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Benjamin Franklin — 'Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.'

From the man who owned 6 f*cking slaves, lol

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think that is probably pretty obvious. Places that exist purely for the purpose of mass gatherings will be the very last to reopen, even when other aspects of life are getting back to normal

Well tbh if it's a matter of opinion it's as meaningless as every other comment offered here with no basis in fact including my own.

KindOfIrish

Blueshoe wrote: »

Down to 8% rise. Restrictions are working. Met 5 checkpoints today. Great to see although the smaller roads seemed busier.

https://youtu.be/DksSPZTZES0

Great to see? Don't think so.

Benjamin Franklin — 'Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.'

Ace2007

MOH wrote: »

Jesus wept. What if with nobody manning telescopes we miss an asteroid on collision course with the earth? What if the sun explodes? What if aliens invade?

What if Maggie's grandkid lives alone, suffers from serious depression, and receiving the card, and the knowledge that Maggie cares enough about them to go to the trouble of going out and sending it to them, is the one thing that keeps them going.

What if after all this is over, you go out one day to the shops to buy a cake but slip on some ice and break a limb, requiring surgery. While on the way to the hospital, the surgeon, an only parent, is hit by a drunk driver and their children are orphaned. Now their lives are ruined all because you wanted a cake. What kind of monster would do that to those children?

We've enough real problems to focus on without all the whatiffery.

Well if an asteroid hits Ireland, you'll still have people looking for the economy to get back on it's feet, and not to worry about why half the country is missing.

Your right we have real problems, and the medial experts had advised the government on the restrictions that should be enforced.

The problem is that too many people think it's ok for Maggie to go to the post office, for Mary to go to her friends house (because Maggie is allow go to post office), and then you have Joe who has pints will Bill on the canal, and Tom who is having a BBQ this weekend because he can't go away and is inviting the street in - but it's ok because we'll sit 2 meters apart in the back garden.

But that's all ok, because our healthcare workers who are run off their feet and exhausted they'll be there to treat them if they get sick - because after all isn't that their job?

Idbatterim

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your opinion, or you have it on good authority?

Leo Varadkar has told him! :rolleyes:

nobody knows when they will be open, but I am speculating 2/3 months minimum. The contact and proximity in them is a big problem and they arent essential.

They should have left garden centres and the likes of homebase etc open. In a week or two, maybe allow small gathering of 4/5, then at least you could socialise a bit in back gardens with bbq etc and few drinks...

Some middle ground needs to be struck!

ITman88

antodeco wrote: »

Pubs will not be opening until at least September and that's only when the number of cases is stable at a low figure.

Possibly.

But if it’s that late in the year the will be unlikely to reopen

[Deleted User]

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your opinion, or you have it on good authority?

I think that is probably pretty obvious. Places that exist purely for the purpose of mass gatherings will be the very last to reopen, even when other aspects of life are getting back to normal

Plumbthedepths

antodeco wrote: »

Pubs will not be opening until at least September and that's only when the number of cases is stable at a low figure.

Your opinion, or you have it on good authority?