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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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FloatingVoter

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Sure she'd probably fit in with her age group there then, an 80 year old today would've been in their 20s during the 1960s.

4 years older than John Lennon would be today but busy catching up

ITman88

FloatingVoter wrote: »

My 80 year old aunt (living in Toronto) has taken up smoking. Due to being pissed off by the depressing current news (and Donald Trump is an underlying issue). Fair ****s.

She’s taking up smoking with a respiratory illness going around, and her age puts her at risk also.

However people considering the economic effects of this are the issue!

easypazz

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I doubt it, although this situation is unprecedented, we don't have a history of unrest in this country, and given this could be a global worldwide depression, you can't really blame the government if we're all broke soon enough

To avoid a depression governments need to lift the restrictions, and soon.

It will be cruel on a lot of people, but a depression will cause mass deaths anyway.

Sooner or later it will have to be allowed run its course.

ITman88

Diarmuid wrote: »

You seem to be willfully missing the point. Tanking the economy will cost lives too. It's all a trade-off.

Don’t bother engaging there, they don’t want to discuss it, only use aggression to try and drive a non existent argument across

helimachoptor

Took the kids out for a walk, Theresa few football, gaa, rugby pitches near the house.

About half a football team (7 or so) were out training with the coaches, doing drills and shooting practice.

ITman88

jmayo wrote: »

Oh FFS just give it a fooking rest.

I come back to this thread every few hours and you're non stop waffling fooking shyte the whole time.

And you are getting worse, you have gone now to claiming it's a grand conspiracy.

Get off the net, read a book, go for a short walk (you can go 1.2 km and back, look out the window.

Do something and stop spouting shtye.

BTW remember how you used the example of my wife's cousin (ex ICU nurse who volunteered at hospital near her new home) earlier as pointer to how everything was ok with ICU, well she is starting Monday.

Ah but sure you fooking know best, the ICUs are fine for space and for staff.
Sure isn't it all a conspiracy to keep you from single handedly saving the economy. :rolleyes:

Forget trying to reason with some around here.
Some seem to think we can have a functioning economy despite this pandemic.

Or else they couldn't give two sh**s and just don't want the inconvenience and the economy is just a pretense.

Your argument is based on aggression and some distant relative going to work Monday.

MOR316

Is there anything to be said for another Mass(gathering)?

MOR316

helimachoptor wrote: »

Took the kids out for a walk, Theresa few football, gaa, rugby pitches near the house.

About half a football team (7 or so) were out training with the coaches, doing drills and shooting practice.

Big José has infiltrated the country :cool:

Jurgen Klopp

Up to 86% of infections go unreported from a study of Wuhan adding more fuel to their fire about its asymptomatic nature

https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/stealth-transmission-fuels-fast-spread-coronavirus-outbreak

Yet another coinciding with the Italian health ministry who believe they have 10 times more infected than their official figures, as well as Spain who have started to look at their 15 in every 16 are going undetected. Not to mention Iceland's study

Blueshoe

Down to 8% rise. Restrictions are working. Met 5 checkpoints today. Great to see although the smaller roads seemed busier.

https://youtu.be/DksSPZTZES0

tom1ie

so ive read a lot of people predicting restrictions will be lifted by may and pubs back open in june.
Given a vaccine is about 14 months away at best, what do we think will happen to the infection rate then?

my take on it is the infection rate will spike again because surprise surprise we have no immunity against it as we have no vaccine.
therefore I'm not sure restrictions should be lifted.

MOH

Ace2007 wrote: »

So you know for 100% that Maggie doesn't have the virus - she says that she is working - so you have to assume that is an essential service.... which given that she is out and about daily increases her chances of getting the virus than others who are staying at home.

What happens in the parcel gets lost in postage - her family far away will not get it - pick up the phone and face time or Skype - that' more personal than sending a parcel, - what if the delivery person on the other side has the virus and passes onto her family?

Most bank holidays we see road deaths - i'm hoping this year we don't, but what would be worse if an innocent person loses their lives on our roads, because someone wanted to do something that wasn't essential...

Jesus wept. What if with nobody manning telescopes we miss an asteroid on collision course with the earth? What if the sun explodes? What if aliens invade?

What if Maggie's grandkid lives alone, suffers from serious depression, and receiving the card, and the knowledge that Maggie cares enough about them to go to the trouble of going out and sending it to them, is the one thing that keeps them going.

What if after all this is over, you go out one day to the shops to buy a cake but slip on some ice and break a limb, requiring surgery. While on the way to the hospital, the surgeon, an only parent, is hit by a drunk driver and their children are orphaned. Now their lives are ruined all because you wanted a cake. What kind of monster would do that to those children?

We've enough real problems to focus on without all the whatiffery.

Nermal

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Up to 86% of infections go unreported from a study of Wuhan adding more fuel to their fire about its asymptomatic nature

https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/stealth-transmission-fuels-fast-spread-coronavirus-outbreak

Yet another coinciding with the Italian health ministry who believe they have 10 times more infected than their official figures, as well as Spain who have started to look at their 15 in every 16 are going undetected. Not to mention Iceland's study

In this context, along with the high R0, it’s baffling that testing and tracing is being seriously proposed as the path to open up but maintain suppression.

plodder

What I heard is that some restrictions will be lifted if the case load in the ICUs is at a low level and testing can be done in real time (like a day or so). That way, when cases arise they can be jumped on and isolated quickly. I'd have my doubts this will allow pubs to re-open, unless they can seat people at tables etc

antodeco

Pubs will not be opening until at least September and that's only when the number of cases is stable at a low figure.

Plumbthedepths

antodeco wrote: »

Pubs will not be opening until at least September and that's only when the number of cases is stable at a low figure.

Your opinion, or you have it on good authority?

[Deleted User]

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your opinion, or you have it on good authority?

I think that is probably pretty obvious. Places that exist purely for the purpose of mass gatherings will be the very last to reopen, even when other aspects of life are getting back to normal

ITman88

antodeco wrote: »

Pubs will not be opening until at least September and that's only when the number of cases is stable at a low figure.

Possibly.

But if it’s that late in the year the will be unlikely to reopen

Idbatterim

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your opinion, or you have it on good authority?

Leo Varadkar has told him! :rolleyes:

nobody knows when they will be open, but I am speculating 2/3 months minimum. The contact and proximity in them is a big problem and they arent essential.

They should have left garden centres and the likes of homebase etc open. In a week or two, maybe allow small gathering of 4/5, then at least you could socialise a bit in back gardens with bbq etc and few drinks...

Some middle ground needs to be struck!

Ace2007

MOH wrote: »

Jesus wept. What if with nobody manning telescopes we miss an asteroid on collision course with the earth? What if the sun explodes? What if aliens invade?

What if Maggie's grandkid lives alone, suffers from serious depression, and receiving the card, and the knowledge that Maggie cares enough about them to go to the trouble of going out and sending it to them, is the one thing that keeps them going.

What if after all this is over, you go out one day to the shops to buy a cake but slip on some ice and break a limb, requiring surgery. While on the way to the hospital, the surgeon, an only parent, is hit by a drunk driver and their children are orphaned. Now their lives are ruined all because you wanted a cake. What kind of monster would do that to those children?

We've enough real problems to focus on without all the whatiffery.

Well if an asteroid hits Ireland, you'll still have people looking for the economy to get back on it's feet, and not to worry about why half the country is missing.

Your right we have real problems, and the medial experts had advised the government on the restrictions that should be enforced.

The problem is that too many people think it's ok for Maggie to go to the post office, for Mary to go to her friends house (because Maggie is allow go to post office), and then you have Joe who has pints will Bill on the canal, and Tom who is having a BBQ this weekend because he can't go away and is inviting the street in - but it's ok because we'll sit 2 meters apart in the back garden.

But that's all ok, because our healthcare workers who are run off their feet and exhausted they'll be there to treat them if they get sick - because after all isn't that their job?

KindOfIrish

Blueshoe wrote: »

Down to 8% rise. Restrictions are working. Met 5 checkpoints today. Great to see although the smaller roads seemed busier.

https://youtu.be/DksSPZTZES0

Great to see? Don't think so.

Benjamin Franklin — 'Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.'

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think that is probably pretty obvious. Places that exist purely for the purpose of mass gatherings will be the very last to reopen, even when other aspects of life are getting back to normal

Well tbh if it's a matter of opinion it's as meaningless as every other comment offered here with no basis in fact including my own.

Thelonious Monk

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Benjamin Franklin — 'Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.'

From the man who owned 6 f*cking slaves, lol

gmisk

ixoy wrote: »

Agreed but relatively low costs in the grander scheme of things. I don't even mean everyone either - but some working from home surely. I know of one place where they're doing shift work for example because it seems nobody can work from home because their capabilities are so poor. Is there no move to look at this?
Fairly well aware of some of these particular issues myself (sure even MS Azure is running into capacity problems) but as this may be around for a while, some moves are surely being made to address it at a local level.

I can honestly only speak from my experience in my department I am an AP btw not a PO. But the amount of money involved is high trust me.
But it will likely pay off because as I said we have the majority of people working from home with no issues, the longer it goes on the better value for the outlay.

Departments are doing their best to help each other out but their are limited IT resources in some government departments, especially those that have infrastructure etc that comes under OGCIO for example.

I am me123

Anyone know what time the Taoiseach's announcement is on T.V. tomorrow?

antodeco

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your opinion, or you have it on good authority?

Obviously my opinion. Boards.ie is a discussion form. Do you have it on good authority that it's not my opinion?

tromtipp

When they start opening up (not until at least after the May bank holiday, probably not till June) freedom of movement will be contingent on carrying a phone with a tracker on it, and wearing a face mask (home made will be encouraged). There will be temperature screening at shop, library, school etc entrances - raised temps will result in loss of movement privileges.

Schools and sports and pubs won't open in the first wave. Access to schools and pubs may be 'rationed' for a while with some groups allowed in one or two days a week only, to permit spacing out.

Anyone who can work from home will be encouraged to continue to do so.

Longer term, essential workers who have kept our world ticking over, particularly those in high risk jobs - shop workers, post delivery workers, carers, waste disposal operators - will realise how undervalued and vulnerable and necessary they are and will rediscover the value of being in a Union.

Our world will change in ways we can't really imagine.

Plumbthedepths

Just looking at the numbers on RTE the median age of all the victims to date is 81. 60% male . In 2016 the life expectancy of a male in Ireland was 81.6 years.
The confirmed cases are now well in excess of 6k with no recovered figures given . Surely the individual who tested positive in February no longer has the virus?
The testing needs to be ramped up and a clear road map to exiting this needs to be published.

Jurgen Klopp

tom1ie wrote: »

so ive read a lot of people predicting restrictions will be lifted by may and pubs back open in june.
Given a vaccine is about 14 months away at best, what do we think will happen to the infection rate then?

my take on it is the infection rate will spike again because surprise surprise we have no immunity against it as we have no vaccine.
therefore I'm not sure restrictions should be lifted.

Honestly as much as I'd love to be able keep lockdown until vaccine if it were realistically possible

I think we'll see at most 4 weeks added to current lockdown

Then reopening of lots stuff bar large gatherings, spectator sports, pubs and restaurants with previous restrictions but I expect mandatory mask wearing to be added has to be once we get HSE supplies stocked, seeing as so many European nations are heading that way

I'm in the vulrenable group but I just can't see how we can keep the economy strangled with lockdown and not tell all unemployed, disabled and pensioners eventually sorry lads but no more payments we're broke

Ditto for the HSE no meds replenished or broken ventilators replaced

Otherwise we may as well just do Sweden now as we'd be in that position but with worse health services

It upsets me greatly but I can't see no other way out bar we get a drug combo that reduces symptoms

I see some UK place saying they'll have a vaccine ready to roll by THIS autumn. Jesus don't fancy that if it's so rushed, the last time they did that a lot developed narcolepsy

Tell me how

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just looking at the numbers on RTE the median age of all the victims to date is 81. 60% male . In 2016 the life expectancy of a male in Ireland was 81.6 years.
The confirmed cases are now well in excess of 6k with no recovered figures given . Surely the individual who tested positive in February no longer has the virus?
The testing needs to be ramped up and a clear road map to exiting this needs to be published.

Ring Leo or Simon or Tony.

They're waiting on direction for what is the right move to make.