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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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arctictree

My young lad, who is sport mad is being driven crazy due to lack of matches and training. Anyone have a rough idea when team sports will be back up again? (Football, Hurling, Soccer etc....)

Aph2016

The country needs to re-open on the 1st of May at that latest. Extending a lockdown further than that is insane. As they say, the cure shouldn't be worse than the disease. Open the 1st of May and adhere to social distancing and hygiene guidelines.

ITman88

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

When have they admitted this?

Ah do I have to go looking for the quotes so you can ignore them

Cork Boy 53

seamus wrote: »

There'll be two more weeks of full lockdown (to 26th April at least), followed by 2-4 weeks where schools, pubs, and other places where people gather remain closed, but non-essential businesses can remain open provided they put distancing & hygiene measures in place.

Cases appear to be peaking this weekend, we won't see deaths begin to peak until next week at the earliest, so the lockdown is necessary.

Schools will remain closed through to September as it's virtually impossible to social distance in a classroom.

University exams and LC exams will go ahead provided that they implement distancing measures - use classrooms with 3/4 pupils in each classroom instead of a big exam hall.

Surely supervision would be an issue if this was to be implemented.

stephenjmcd

St.Spodo wrote: »

Smaller European that have been affected to a similar extent to us are beginning to reopen sectors on a phased basis. I think the idea that the current restrictions will be in place for any more than 2-4 weeks is unlikely.

Harris more or less said this over the last while that long term restrictions wont happen.

I'd say up to may bank holiday and then phased reopening after that. His comments today seem to reflect that

Plumbthedepths

Sconsey wrote: »

Ok let me spell it out for you so since you are playing dumb:

You admint to using the term 'lockdown fetishists' and then then get high and mighty claimng you don't use asinine comments.

I described suck it up as an asinine comment. Seems our definition is different as to what constitutes asinine.
If you are seeking a row ,wasting your time with me. Have a good one.

ITman88

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

As has been pointed out many times previously social distancing isn`t practical on a construction site due to the nature of the work involved. You are choosing to ignore this fact.

It can be done.

We just have to many people justifying the holiday at present.

Where there’s a will there is a way

Nermal

KrustyUCC wrote: »

if we keep at this for another couple of weeks

Christ. Someone take him aside and tell him that in two weeks, we'll be exactly like we are now but €1.7B poorer.

Here's the UK doing what we cannot - directly financing government expenditure:
https://www.ft.com/content/664c575b-0f54-44e5-ab78-2fd30ef213cb

Cork Boy 53

ITman88 wrote: »

Next week.

I’ve said it before, we are incredibly well poised to fight this using just social distancing.

Our most populated region, Dublin, is only the 34th most populated region in Europe.

In Italy 15m are over 65.
In Ireland the figure is 600k.
Much more manageable.

Reopen construction immediately using social distancing measures.

And plan a swift return for as many as possible.

There is no plan, Holohan and Leo have admitted this.
No plan

When have they admitted this?

Cork Boy 53

ITman88 wrote: »

Next week.

I’ve said it before, we are incredibly well poised to fight this using just social distancing.

Our most populated region, Dublin, is only the 34th most populated region in Europe.

In Italy 15m are over 65.
In Ireland the figure is 600k.
Much more manageable.

Reopen construction immediately using social distancing measures.

And plan a swift return for as many as possible.

There is no plan, Holohan and Leo have admitted this.
No plan

As has been pointed out many times previously social distancing isn`t practical on a construction site due to the nature of the work involved. You are choosing to ignore this fact.

seamus

There'll be two more weeks of full lockdown (to 26th April at least), followed by 2-4 weeks where schools, pubs, and other places where people gather remain closed, but non-essential businesses can remain open provided they put distancing & hygiene measures in place.

Cases appear to be peaking this weekend, we won't see deaths begin to peak until next week at the earliest, so the lockdown is necessary.

Schools will remain closed through to September as it's virtually impossible to social distance in a classroom.

University exams and LC exams will go ahead provided that they implement distancing measures - use classrooms with 3/4 pupils in each classroom instead of a big exam hall.

pjohnson

bladespin wrote: »

That was the main reason Construction was closed, distancing was virtually impossible around facilities.

Best get rid of health and safety so. Must get working for glory of motherland economy.

If they die in an accident just get new workers to replace them. Only economy matter not lives.

[Deleted User]

most places don't have a plan for phase II because there is still no readily available test with a quick turnaround time.

also not sure on what data protection issues might be thrown up around the use of phone location data for contact tracing and whether Ireland gov has this level of tech sophistication (storing of large amounts of data re what phones were near other other and when)

both of these elements are critical for effectively closing down the new clusters that will pop up

bladespin

ITman88 wrote: »

Reopen construction immediately using social distancing measures.

That was the main reason Construction was closed, distancing was virtually impossible around facilities.

St.Spodo

Smaller European that have been affected to a similar extent to us are beginning to reopen sectors on a phased basis. I think the idea that the current restrictions will be in place for any more than 2-4 weeks is unlikely.

ITman88

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

When in your opinion should be as soon as possible? Next week, next month? What, if any, precautions should be taken to ensure social distancing?

Next week.

I’ve said it before, we are incredibly well poised to fight this using just social distancing.

Our most populated region, Dublin, is only the 34th most populated region in Europe.

In Italy 15m are over 65.
In Ireland the figure is 600k.
Much more manageable.

Reopen construction immediately using social distancing measures.

And plan a swift return for as many as possible.

There is no plan, Holohan and Leo have admitted this.
No plan

alroley

irishlad123456 wrote: »

Actually a joke how they want to extend these for weeks, economy is going to suffer even more putting more people under pressure, amount of suicides this will cause will be mad and for what to save a few old people who were on the way out anyways and have nothing to offer the economy, if people want to stay in let them but let people get on with their lives and protect the long term future of this country

Harsh

timmy_mallet

pjohnson wrote: »

Unless the business was already on its knees of course there will. Or a new business will just replace it. If theres demand there will be supply. Any gaps will be filled quickly.

Yes, those banks who aren't having the loans paid back by the businesses that have closed and are going to be firing money at people in the 1st of July. Never mind that the years of experience of a small business owner will be lost

road_high

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No one is denying loads of businesses are f*cked. What do you think we should do to avoid this?

Allow them reopen on a strict basis with appropriate rules in place. This “lock it all down” mania is nuts and has run its course. All it’s good for is Garda overtime and supermarkets profits.
If vulnerable want to self isolate let them and assist them in their personal decision

irishlad123456

Actually a joke how they want to extend these for weeks, economy is going to suffer even more putting more people under pressure, amount of suicides this will cause will be mad and for what to save a few old people who were on the way out anyways and have nothing to offer the economy, if people want to stay in let them but let people get on with their lives and protect the long term future of this country

KrustyUCC

is_that_so wrote: »

Harris saying these restrictions could go on for a "period of weeks" according to George Lee. Expect an official announcement tomorrow.

Yes the definition of "a period of weeks" will be interesting

2,4,7,20?

pjohnson

timmy_mallet wrote: »

There wont be small businesses to reopen

Unless the business was already on its knees of course there will. Or a new business will just replace it. If theres demand there will be supply. Any gaps will be filled quickly.

Cork Boy 53

ITman88 wrote: »

Well it’s not like there is nothing we could do.

One, off the wall, suggestion is allow them to open as soon as possible

When in your opinion should be as soon as possible? Next week, next month? What, if any, precautions should be taken to ensure social distancing?

pjohnson

TheCitizen wrote: »

Seriously you need to chill out with this carry on, no one is overjoyed with restrictions. You sound totally paranoid when you go on with that stuff.

"Stira stairs Sheila" :pac: You should start writing these quips down.

Its so cute. He must be a huge fan of facehuggers to be trying to copy his hero!

ITman88

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Surely that's the plan though?

No your missing the point, there is no plan.

That’s the issue

timmy_mallet

lastusername wrote: »

End of May at the earliest, possibly into early June I reckon. Gradual re-opening of small businesses and shops through mid-late June and into July.

There wont be small businesses to reopen

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

Harris saying these restrictions could go on for a "period of weeks" according to George Lee. Expect an official announcement tomorrow.

Yeah expect until may bank holiday I would imagine. To let people have free roam just before a bank holiday would be mad

ITman88

Amia Thundering Engineer wrote: »

Not a hope that it will be extended that long in my opinion. Two more weeks tops of current restrictions and then months of other lesser restrictions...

The thing is people that want to, can still sit inside all day with restrictions eased.

Let those who want to go to work, I wouldnt mind paying extra tax to support those sort of people, if it helped out other businesses

Thelonious Monk

ITman88 wrote: »

Well it’s not like there is nothing we could do.

One, off the wall, suggestion is allow them to open as soon as possible

Surely that's the plan though?

marno21

road_high wrote: »

Aware of that but they may have struggled on. This will finish lots of businesses and strengthen the domination of others

A recession was overdue which would have cleared out a lot of the deadwood covid or no covid.

It's a pity now that some businesses are going to be under serious pressure that were fully above water and viable before, especially relating to tourism and travel. They would have had no issues trading under normal circumstances, unlike Debenhams.