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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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ITman88

KiKi III wrote: »

It's literally your only option.

Exactly, I have no option, the restriction’s are now law, being enforced by Gardai who have undertaken 5 weeks training in Templemore.

Is that the actions of ministers who are applying a calculated approach to this crisis?

TheCitizen

ITman88 wrote: »

You have agreed with my point.

I’ll not freak out, have you seen Mr Holohan’s latest approach.

Those guys have no plan is the issue, so I’ve a funny feeling he’s posting somewhere on that thread to support the white flag fanatics

Surrender monkeys is the phrase your reaching for there ITman. Listen to Trump, he's got lots of quips and soundbites that you need.

TheCitizen

ITman88 wrote: »

Thing is they won’t consider an economic assessment until its far to late.

We don’t have a track record of foresight

They? who are they exactly?

I disagree. I don't think for one minute that they (if you mean all the powers that be in this country and in wider EU and Europe) are not considering other aspects of this. It's not in anyone's interests to run down economies.

lastusername

ITman88 wrote: »

The restrictions have changed some lives more than others.

We have 850k on the unemployment benefit.
Who may/may not have a job back.

Hotels and tourism has 11m visitors last year. That’s not coming back this year.
Airlines will collapse by May/June ending cheap travel.

Sport/concerts relies on disposable income. Those who kept jobs have disposable income built up, 850k have not. Premier league clubs are under unbelievable financial strain, and they are built on fans using disposable income to attend matches/buy merchandise.

We are not living with Covid, we are static, and it appears we will remain static for some time.

People are have been driven to a state of hysteria by the media and have lost all confidence to stand beside a stranger.

Airlines won't collapse! Not the major ones anyway, they (like banks) are too big and important to fail.

People want to live their lives and the economy will come back gradually. Even people who have lost their jobs and will be short on funds will still go to the cinema or out for an ice cream on a sunny day.

And those who will have saved a fortune during the shutdown months will be back out spending once we're back!

0gac3yjefb5sv7

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if the current level of restrictions were eased in anything less than a month, either in the UK or Ireland. I'm not expecting to see any different until well into May, and even then it'll be limited and staggered reopenings, IMO.

I'd be very surprised if they help current restriction levels for another month. Can't see that happening. No one knows so it's futile guessing.

salmocab

ITman88 wrote: »

It was obviously sarcasm!

Well not obviously but apologies anyway.

ITman88

salmocab wrote: »

Take this nonsense to conspiracy theory forum. The man is far too busy to be interested in an online forum.

It was obviously sarcasm!

Ethereal Cereal

jmayo wrote: »

Well officially China is doing ok.
And they are saving the world now selling them PPE and test kits.

Never mind that the PPE is substandard and sometimes nearly half the test kits are faulty.

It's the thought that counts.

Just to lighten the mood and to make all those stir crazy anti-lockdowners feel better, county yourself lucky you don't live in Turkmenistan.

The current leader, Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow, once a dentist and head of dept of health which carried out his predecessors bright idea to close all rural hospitals and only have them in the Capital city and major regional towns.
The plan was centralisation of services.
The HSE hierarchy would have loved his plans on creation of centres of excellence.

Berdimuhamedow (I dare anyone to pronounce it) is a bit of an old totalitarian but he is very very popular getting 97% of the vote.
He writes books, songs and does a bit of DJing.

Now to be fair he reversed some of the weird changes of his predecessor, Saparmurat Saparmurat Niyazov, who makes him look like a paragon of sanity.
Not alone did Niyazov close hospitals, he chopped pensions of 100,000, forced people to read and study his autobiography which led to people being examined on it in interviews for state jobs.
And his biggest claim to fame was his idea to rename the days of week and months of year after family and terms in his autobiography.

Now old Niyazov did have some good ideas.
He banned lip syncing at concerts and who could argue with that.
He banned dogs from the capital, no more dog shyte on the footpath.
He banned smoking in public and in government offices, and he banned chewing tobacco.
He banned news reporters and presenters from using makeup while on TV.
He outlawed opera and ballet.
He banned the Turkmen word for bread and named it after his mother.

Nice he showed his appreciation for his mother.

Corona would seem to be the least of the issues facing Turkmenistan's population.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Didn't he put a tax on beards too?
If you have seen Dark Tourist on Netflix, there's an episode where he goes there, it's a crazy weird place, the capital is like some weird Las Vegas in an alternate universe.

This all sounds amazing

bladespin

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If this is the plan the economy is destroyed for good.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/impossible-to-put-time-limit-on-coronavirus-restrictions-39115323.html

Not the man's job to plan for the future, he's there to deal with what's happening now and to minimize losses.

That's his brief, future planning and acceptable risk etc are for others, he can only advise.

salmocab

ITman88 wrote: »

You have agreed with my point.

I’ll not freak out, have you seen Mr Holohan’s latest approach.

Those guys have no plan is the issue, so I’ve a funny feeling he’s posting somewhere on that thread to support the white flag fanatics

Take this nonsense to conspiracy theory forum. The man is far too busy to be interested in an online forum.

KiKi III

ITman88 wrote: »

You have agreed with my point.

I’ll not freak out, have you seen Mr Holohan’s latest approach.

Those guys have no plan is the issue, so I’ve a funny feeling he’s posting somewhere on that thread to support the white flag fanatics

Holohan didn't say "lockdown for 18 months".

He said the truth, that they can't put a timeline on it right now. That doesn't mean it's going to go in indefinitely, it means he can't give you the timetable you so desperately want right now.

It would be wrong of him to give the country false hope and say "Restrictions lifted in 4 weeks and we'll all be grand by the summer holidays" even though that's what some people really want to hear.

Right now, every government department is planning for a number of scenarios. And their plans are changing on a daily basis because the situation is changing on a daily basis.

I understand that a lot of people are having trouble dealing with this level of uncertainty, but you'll have to learn to live with it for the next while. It's literally your only option.

ITman88

TheCitizen wrote: »

Your man is a Doctor, he's going to give the view of this from his angle. Other voices will come into play as the initial crisis subsides. A bit of patience required right now until we reach the initial peak of this.

Thing is they won’t consider an economic assessment until its far to late.

We don’t have a track record of foresight

TheCitizen

ITman88 wrote: »

Ah FFS.

Not a plan in the world.

At some point, someone somewhere in Ireland needs to suggest an economic assessment.

Media loving doctors will not preform that economic assessment.

Your man is a Doctor, he's going to give the view of this from his angle. Other voices will come into play as the initial crisis subsides. A bit of patience required right now until we reach the initial peak of this.

In the meantime upscaling the ability of the health service to deal with any subsequent increases and effective treatments becoming available will determine the ability of as much of the economy as possible to get back into full operation.

Thelonious Monk

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The sooner restrictions are lifted the better but I fear its a long way off

Well it mightn't be for the better if they are lifted soon, that's the thing. Could totally overwhelm healthcare and cause lots more vulnerable to die and get sick.
I just have to hope that the people in charge are listening to experts in this field, which I assume they are, because none of us know what the best course of action is now economically and from a health perspective.

ITman88

KiKi III wrote: »

You're right. It can't, and it won't. Public policy isn't decided by that Boards thread. Don't be freaking yourself out over something that's blatantly not going to happen.

You have agreed with my point.

I’ll not freak out, have you seen Mr Holohan’s latest approach.

Those guys have no plan is the issue, so I’ve a funny feeling he’s posting somewhere on that thread to support the white flag fanatics

KrustyUCC

Amia Thundering Engineer wrote: »

Can't really be anything & it won't be. People won't accept it and the minister said as much.

You get the impression, some are weirdly hoping for a longer lockdown in this thread...

I think they will go for at least another month

Look at the way these restrictions were up until Easter Sunday. All week softening people up. We're doing really well, it's working but not enough. Announcement Friday. Extend to May Bank Holiday

Forward two weeks. We're doing really well, it's working but not enough. Announcement Friday. Two more weeks

I'm def not one of those wanting a longer lockdown

The sooner restrictions are lifted the better but I fear its a long way off

KiKi III

ITman88 wrote: »

Was on the main thread for a read.

More suggestions of lockdowns for 18 months until a vaccine is found.

It simply can’t happen.

Poland easing restrictions after Monday because of the economic carnage.

We need to loosen restrictions in the next week/fortnight.

The lockdown fanatics can put a white flag outside their homes. They can cocoon.

We need a different approach

You're right. It can't, and it won't. Public policy isn't decided by that Boards thread. Don't be freaking yourself out over something that's blatantly not going to happen.

Thelonious Monk

jmayo wrote: »

Just to lighten the mood and to make all those stir crazy anti-lockdowners feel better, county yourself lucky you don't live in Turkmenistan...

Didn't he put a tax on beards too?
If you have seen Dark Tourist on Netflix, there's an episode where he goes there, it's a crazy weird place, the capital is like some weird Las Vegas in an alternate universe.

ITman88

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If this is the plan the economy is destroyed for good.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/impossible-to-put-time-limit-on-coronavirus-restrictions-39115323.html

Ah FFS.

Not a plan in the world.

At some point, someone somewhere in Ireland needs to suggest an economic assessment.

Media loving doctors will not preform that economic assessment.

TheCitizen

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If this is the plan the economy is destroyed for good.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/impossible-to-put-time-limit-on-coronavirus-restrictions-39115323.html

There is nothing destroyed for good. They're dealing with an emerging situation, as time goes on other considerations come into play.

rusty the athlete

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If this is the plan the economy is destroyed for good.

As well as the psychological and physical well-being of many, cocoonees in particular.

lainey_d_123

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Minimum of 2 which will bring the latest restrictions over 4 weeks

The maximum could be anything unfortunately

I'd be very surprised if the current level of restrictions were eased in anything less than a month, either in the UK or Ireland. I'm not expecting to see any different until well into May, and even then it'll be limited and staggered reopenings, IMO.

ITman88

Amia Thundering Engineer wrote: »

You get the impression, some are weirdly hoping for a longer lockdown in this thread...

Another poster alluded to it, the scariest thing about Covid is people’s lack of ability to think for themselves.

On the other hand if you convince people something is bad enough, they will beg for protection at all costs.

That’s what’s happening, people are so utterly petrified from the media whipping up a storm that they genuinely believe it is worth crippling the economy long term to prevent pain in the short term.

They can’t see the wood from the trees with Covid.

The wood form the trees will be quiet clear when social welfare benefit is cut and the health care budget is halved.

Plumbthedepths

Sky news looks at the long-term.

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-health-effects-of-a-covid-19-recession-could-be-worse-than-the-pandemic-11970815

Cyrus

Holohan isnt inspiring confidence, he is also partially responsible for these nursing home clusters.

Plumbthedepths

If this is the plan the economy is destroyed for good.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/impossible-to-put-time-limit-on-coronavirus-restrictions-39115323.html

0gac3yjefb5sv7

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Minimum of 2 which will bring the latest restrictions over 4 weeks

The maximum could be anything unfortunately

Can't really be anything & it won't be. People won't accept it and the minister said as much.

You get the impression, some are weirdly hoping for a longer lockdown in this thread...

jmayo

niallo27 wrote: »

Is there any country that actually doing well.

Well officially China is doing ok.
And they are saving the world now selling them PPE and test kits.

Never mind that the PPE is substandard and sometimes nearly half the test kits are faulty.

It's the thought that counts.

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Turkmenistan has reported no cases.

Head there, put your feet up, have a few pints, praise their glorious leader and if you get a fever, followed by severe pneumonia and end up in a ICU bed there, don't mention the c word.

Just to lighten the mood and to make all those stir crazy anti-lockdowners feel better, county yourself lucky you don't live in Turkmenistan.

The current leader, Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow, once a dentist and head of dept of health which carried out his predecessors bright idea to close all rural hospitals and only have them in the Capital city and major regional towns.
The plan was centralisation of services.
The HSE hierarchy would have loved his plans on creation of centres of excellence.

Berdimuhamedow (I dare anyone to pronounce it) is a bit of an old totalitarian but he is very very popular getting 97% of the vote.

He writes books, songs and does a bit of DJing.

Now to be fair he reversed some of the weird changes of his predecessor, Saparmurat Saparmurat Niyazov, who makes him look like a paragon of sanity.
Not alone did Niyazov close hospitals, he chopped pensions of 100,000, forced people to read and study his autobiography which led to people being examined on it in interviews for state jobs.
And his biggest claim to fame was his idea to rename the days of week and months of year after family and terms in his autobiography.

Now old Niyazov did have some good ideas.
He banned lip syncing at concerts and who could argue with that.
He banned dogs from the capital, no more dog shyte on the footpath.
He banned smoking in public and in government offices, and he banned chewing tobacco.
He banned news reporters and presenters from using makeup while on TV.
He outlawed opera and ballet.
He banned the Turkmen word for bread and named it after his mother.

Nice he showed his appreciation for his mother.

Corona would seem to be the least of the issues facing Turkmenistan's population.

KrustyUCC

Amia Thundering Engineer wrote: »

Period of weeks means maximum of 3 to me...most likely 2.

Minimum of 2 which will bring the latest restrictions over 4 weeks

The maximum could be anything unfortunately

ITman88

Amia Thundering Engineer wrote: »

Period of weeks means maximum of 3 to me...most likely 2.

Was on the main thread for a read.

More suggestions of lockdowns for 18 months until a vaccine is found.

It simply can’t happen.

Poland easing restrictions after Monday because of the economic carnage.

We need to loosen restrictions in the next week/fortnight.

The lockdown fanatics can put a white flag outside their homes. They can cocoon.

We need a different approach