FrancieBrady wrote: » I'm sure the forum is shocked you would feel like that. We know so much about how this state functions because of what they and others have done in opposition. It's as if no other deputy or rep has never said anything foolish across all political party's to listen to you guys/gals carping.
blanch152 wrote: » Are you a Spurs supporter? Maybe you should get a DVD released on the year SF nearly won the election, or the three greatest years in opposition. You could get a group of mates around to watch them.
Phoebas wrote: » How is Louise O'Reilly going to get a 'full picture' from some Twitter responses? This makes no sense at all.
Ballso wrote: » This seems to pervade the whole organisation. They think their stupid unqualified opinions are just as valid as industry professionals, senior public servants, senior doctors etc. It's insane. It's irritating enough at the best of times, but sure we live in a democracy and we have to listen to even the dullards. But holy **** does a crisis like this bring the whole thing into stark relief.
smurgen wrote: » "The report also noted that Ireland is the fourth largest exporter of medical devices that can be used to treat Covid-19. These include ventilators" Are you willing to bet that in 17bn worth of sales and with Ireland at the cutting edge of this type of manufacturing that it's not being made here?
markodaly wrote: » SF types are great at spouting $hit, but like we see with Trump when $hit hits Science, then one can see who the Bull$hitters are. Thank god, Louise O'Reilly is not Minister of Health. SF have a serious lack of talent on their front bench. There are about 3 people there who are capable, the rest just indoctrinated drones.
tikkahunter wrote: » But But But one of them wrote a book on housing . If I heard that one more ****ing time during the election I was going to go off my head . Yeah he wrote a book and it’s in the fiction section in Easons.
smurgen wrote: » I don't have a stash but it's not my job.
Deleted User wrote: » The SF line on this is genuinely bizarre. it's a step above homeopathy. I know of one production line in Ireland that took 5 years to get approval on from day 1 to first product being produced. 5 years. The checks and balances are incredibly onerous. Sure, some timelines can be speeded up, but there is still a minimum time needed to get these systems operational.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Ryan wasn't just talking about procurement, he was talking generally about responses to the crisis and 'emergency management. It may have escaped your attention but SF are part of the Opposition and have a duty to over-sight, criticism and suggestion. They need to speak, 'without fear of making a mistake' too. But not in the Sultan's selective view, which protects one wing of the parliament. If the opposition makes a mistake in Sultan's view then they are to be derided and demeaned. In other words, Sultan is being hypocritical. Perhaps Sultan thinks the Opposition should be silent in admiration of their masters?
tikkahunter wrote: » https://twitter.com/sinnfeinireland/status/1247903498902966273 That’s great Louise , tell them what they already know
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » Likewise, before I was in Regulatory Affairs, I was part of our company's programme management office - even tweaking a line to introduce a change or a modification was a very involved project. I can't even begin to imagine how you would go about stopping an existing line, converting it to do something else, then returning to its original function. The staff restaurant is available though......maybe SF think we can cook up some reagent there - joking aside, it's probably the only space we have that could be used for that On the plus side, I take heart in SF's ignorance of modern manufacturing......that way when they arrive to seize the means of production, we can tell them it's behind the bike shelters and they'll leave us alone.
Paul Reid wrote: He said he is also working with pharma companies and laboratories in Ireland to see if they can “significantly ramp up” their capacity to provide further supplies. Those discussions are continuing today.
“IDA Ireland is aware of an industry led initiative that is currently underway to explore the possibility of producing reagent in Ireland.”
Ireland's pharmaceutical industry has indicated it is gearing up to produce key ingredients for Covid-19 testing which the State is struggling to source on the international market. The industry could produce enough reagent - a key laboratory ingredient which is in short supply - to enable around 500,000 tests to take place, said Matt Moran, director of the pharmaceutical industry lobby group BioPharmaChem Ireland. He told The Irish Times that he was hopeful of being able to make a firm announcement soon. "We are looking at making it, and are trying to source the raw materials at the moment."
markodaly wrote: » What do you actually do for a living?
HerrKuehn wrote: » Apparently Louise O'Reilly's request for relevance ammunition was what spurred the team in Cork on to try to produce the reagent.
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » Wow that's really some leap to claim Dr Ryan's endorsement for the idiot out pourings of SF - he was talking about pandemic emergency management, not provincial politicians looking for a cheap soundbite. And nope, opposition has a powerful role to play (I like what NZ have done) but SF are less about scrutiny and more about soundbites- and I know SF like to abstain from things so they probably don't get it, but it's parliament's job (not just the army council opposition's ) to hold the executive to account.
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » So Dr Ryan of the WHO was wrong then when he said .......but sure what would he know.
Hurrache wrote: » That was idiot Cosgrave.
smurgen wrote: » He said work quickly not make idiotic decisions there's a difference.Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Spain all had faulty gear from China delivered and made it publicly knowns before ours was bought.
smurgen wrote: » Like Harris and co buying ppe off Alibaba?
smurgen wrote: » No it wasn't it was Harris.https://www.rte.ie/amp/1124042/
aido79 wrote: » I think you were already asked this but where should they have got the ppe from? Please point me to your previous answer if you have already answered.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Had it been me, knowing China's reputation for varying quality I'd have sent a team out there to inspect the product before accepting it. A bit of logistics required but certainly doable. The defective materials were discovered very quickly on arrival...that could have been picked up in China by random sampling. I (along with two other businesses here) shipped three containers of product from China in the last 5 years and it was worthwhile sending a guy to China to inspect the product before shipment. He turned down part of the cargo before it was loaded. I don't do it anymore because life is too short for the hassle, stress and grief tbh.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Yet the HSE is in negotiations with Irish Pharma companies to see if they can 'ramp up capacity'https://www.thejournal.ie/reagents-testing-pharma-5064565-Apr2020/ Yet we were told vociferously here that that wasn't possible. Will he be told about the 'bike shed' too? The IDA too seem to be telling porkies according to you guys: The Irish Pharmaceutical Industry is saying this too: By the way, will it now take 'years' for that company in Cork to get certification to produce their kits?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I think you are being hypocritical invoking Ryan to save the blushes of the government while not extending the same courtesy to others who are doing their duty, speaking out and asking questions. Also are you saying that SF haven't called people and institutions of the state to account while in opposition in the Dáil and brought scrutiny to bear on the same? Because that just doesn't tally with reality in any sense of the word. Pure and simple, it is a lie and not what I seen during the term of government while FF sat on their hands in C&S.
blackwhite wrote: » How exactly do you propose the team inspects the product when they aren't allowed leave the footprint of the aircraft? The products will have been packed, and sealed for customs before they get airside. Or should we have delayed taking any deliveries for 14 days to allow inspectors clear quarantine on arrival into China :rolleyes: Yet another classic case of Francie spoofing and ignoring reality, because it helps to push the agenda of his cult
FrancieBrady wrote: » I have no SF specific agenda on this. I am in business, I am used to solving logistical problems. I don't as a rule begin a conversation by saying...'ah no..no that can't be done'. Times of crisis, you move mountains. Or you at least, look at ways of moving the mountain.https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/china/about-us/team-ireland-china/
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » Yes, "ramp up capacity" - not ramp up production using non-existent spare capacity - really as a business person do you not understand the fundamental difference between the concepts of production and capacity? Quite bizarre.
And yes it needs to be negotiated - this isn't Shinnernomic magic money trees - temporary increases in capacity and concomitant increases in production can be generated quite easily and any negotiation can be simply about price. More permanent increases in capacity bring in the question of cost - short-term there'll be an cost increase, but more production means more scale means cheaper prices ultimately - the timing of all that needs to be negotiated.
Also the impact on other patients - a plant switching away from what it does to do something else is going to leave others in the lurch, that needs to be addressed, as does the potential impact on suppliers - only a very few of our suppliers, for example, could help us if we switched. You, see? The idiocy of SF fails to embrace the fact that pharmaceutical manufacturing is part of a complicated and complex series of supply chains - changes have consequences, both up and down stream, and it's pretty much a given that the law of unintended consequences will bite us severely in the arse.
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