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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Tenzor07

normanoffside wrote: »

Maud Flanders stuff

It will prevent excess alcohol consumption leading to long term illness and reduce the risk of people sustaining injuries from incidents which can happen due to an excess of alcohol in the system, if someone falls due to that then it will take up the use of the emergency services who have better things to do that look after people who get pissed..

JRant

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I suppose himself and Leo have been clear and concise in what they've been saying, when people want instructions and answers from politicians. When you see Boris and Donald being a bit all over the place it made our politicians look good.
I personally think it's OTT the praise being lavished on them, SH is just a mouthpiece for civil servants and medical experts, and Leo is just reading out some scripts saying we have to stay indoors and what have you.

Boris and the Donald is a very low bar to set. I haven't gotten the impression of them being clear and concise at all. They both just parrot the same buzzwords and catchphrases about acting on medical advise. If these restrictions are to be extended then let people know in good time. I don't care if it's 2 weeks or a month but they can't keep drip feeding information out to the public. Make a call and go with it. If we leave it up to some medical panel we'll be shutdown till a vaccine appears.

polesheep

Tenzor07 wrote: »

A restriction that makes sense:

off-licences-should-close-during-covid-19-crisis-says-public-health-expert-

This ties in with a point I made earlier about how a point comes where the populace stop listening to experts.

lainey_d_123

Tenzor07 wrote: »

A restriction that makes sense:

off-licences-should-close-during-covid-19-crisis-says-public-health-expert-

I mean, yes, but a lot of people are getting through this by enjoying a few more drinks than usual. I'm not a big drinker but I've been having a glass with dinner fairly regularly and it's stopping me going completely insane.

It's also probably not great for alcoholics to have a forced withdrawal - I saw a doctor talking about this on TV the other day. Maybe one of the reasons they haven't been forced to close?

normanoffside

Tenzor07 wrote: »

A restriction that makes sense:

off-licences-should-close-during-covid-19-crisis-says-public-health-expert-

Maud Flanders stuff

polesheep

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The decisions cannot just be medical based, economic sensibilities have to be considered. Whether that is uncomfortable for people is irrelevant. Feck all point in trying to save people to lose thousands in the coming years because of an economic wasteland.

Based on her last post, the only reply you are going to get is "oooh, ooooh, ahhhhh.'

normanoffside

The main reason that medical care workers are testing positive in such high numbers is because they are actually testing them.

It's not just because they are catching it in Hospital.

Tenzor07

A restriction that makes sense:

off-licences-should-close-during-covid-19-crisis-says-public-health-expert-

Plumbthedepths

KiKi III wrote: »

So who do you think should be making the decisions? (Third time asking)

The decisions cannot just be medical based, economic sensibilities have to be considered. Whether that is uncomfortable for people is irrelevant. Feck all point in trying to save people to lose thousands in the coming years because of an economic wasteland.

BanditLuke

normanoffside wrote: »

First thing we have ever agreed on on this subject.

No hugging.

normanoffside

BanditLuke wrote: »

Been a big believer of this for a while now, worldwide. I'd say the vast majority are showing no symptoms at all.

First thing we have ever agreed on on this subject.

Stheno

Logan Roy wrote: »

Forever if it was allowed :pac:

Getting more done and finding it more peaceful. Not a fan of our large open plan office rammed with people.

I think it will be supported by government as part of a gradual lifting of restrictions

normanoffside

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Officials in Spain believe 15 in every 16 cases go unreported

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html

Please sweet Jesus be true

Undetected rather than unreported.
Many people report symptoms but don't pass a threshold for testing.

Thelonious Monk

JRant wrote: »

I still can't wrap my head around why he is seen to be doing such a great job.

PPE for health care workers - fail
Protecting the elderly - fail
Adequate testing - fail

That's 3 massive failures alone and himself and Leo need to be held to account for all of them.

It was clear at the beginning that they had no plan going into these phased restrictions and it's also clear they haven't the foggiest on how to get the country out of them.

I suppose himself and Leo have been clear and concise in what they've been saying, when people want instructions and answers from politicians. When you see Boris and Donald being a bit all over the place it made our politicians look good.
I personally think it's OTT the praise being lavished on them, SH is just a mouthpiece for civil servants and medical experts, and Leo is just reading out some scripts saying we have to stay indoors and what have you.

JRant

Stheno wrote: »

How many people on this thread who used work in offices but can now work from home would continue to do so for say three months if it was suggested?

I was WFH for a day or two a week before this anyway. It's been enjoyable to have lunch with my family and get to see them more. However, been extra calls, meetings, and work load it's the busiest I've ever been and I would work long enough hours anyway.
A mix would still be my preferred option though. Yes, VCs are good but there's nothing like getting actual face time with people.

Tenzor07

JRant wrote: »

That's 3 massive failures alone and himself and Leo need to be held to account for all of them.
It was clear at the beginning that they had no plan going into these phased restrictions and it's also clear they haven't the foggiest on how to get the country out of them.

As is customary in this country, we reward failure and mediocrity, Leo will most likely remain Taoiseach for the next 2 years or so, MM the other half of the next 5 years.
Holohan has survived previous national scandals and will most likely retire with the sort of pension that most of us couldn't dream of even in full time employment no matter how he manages this crisis.

polesheep

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Officials in Spain believe 15 in every 16 cases go unreported

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html

Please sweet Jesus be true

That would be like Christmas on a beautiful summer's day.

lainey_d_123

Witcher wrote: »

No it hasn't actually because that's a f'ing moronic way of thinking.

If the joggers and every other flute out for a jollier stayed in their gaff like they're supposed to as well there wouldn't be that issue. Stay in your f'ing house, out for food or medical supplies otherwise stay in.

But sure open the parks then more people will become infected and more will die..the best strategy according to you.

London is different to other cities in that there are so many people with no outside space at all and very little inside space. Outside exercise is banned in Spain but almost every household there has at least a balcony, and many outside cities have gardens with pools.

Not having any exercise or spending any time outside for up to 2-3 months is tremendously bad for mental and physical health. I'd bet you a thousand euros that you'd soon change your tune if YOU had to live like this.

Witcher wrote: »

Yeah and there were 900+ deaths there today and the leader of the country is in ICU with the virus after playing it down. Let's not follow the UK too closely on this one.

Has it occurred to you at all that almost all of these people who died were infected before the lockdown started? It hasn't even been three weeks.

road_high wrote: »

It'll be the last thing to recover and it will be years to get back up to where it was. It's perceived as very high risk for covid 19 and people will choose just not to travel. Business travel will be minimised as companies don't want to expose staff and lots more will be going on via new technology.
I think there will be a lot of people in the Airline/travel industry looking st new careers.

I'm not so sure. People said that after 9/11 and it was very soon back to something approaching 'normal'. Even the most pessimistic predictions say there should be a vaccine within 18 months. What makes you think it will be years to recover? People these days are used to travelling and they won't give it up lightly. Plenty of people holding onto vouchers for cancelled flights and itching to get away already.

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Officials in Spain believe 15 in every 16 cases go unreported

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html

Please sweet Jesus be true

This would confirm the results of the Icelandic studies. It's surely extremely likely to be true. If covid is as infectious as they say, there is no way on earth that there are so relatively few cases in London when all of us were crammed onto crowded tubes, buses and overgrounds until mid to late March.

Logan Roy

Stheno wrote: »

How many people on this thread who used work in offices but can now work from home would continue to do so for say three months if it was suggested?

Forever if it was allowed :pac:

Getting more done and finding it more peaceful. Not a fan of our large open plan office rammed with people.

polesheep

KiKi III wrote: »

Right lads, I'm logging off. Seeing as it's the only thing we've all agreed on I think we should all masturbate a minimum of once before resuming the debate tomorrow.

This is probably the only time I'll get to call another poster a wanker without being banned;) Good night.

JRant

ITman88 wrote: »

If someone said last January, that Simon Harris popularity would skyrocket in 6/8 weeks, I’d of eaten my own underpants.

I still can't wrap my head around why he is seen to be doing such a great job.

PPE for health care workers - fail
Protecting the elderly - fail
Adequate testing - fail

That's 3 massive failures alone and himself and Leo need to be held to account for all of them.

It was clear at the beginning that they had no plan going into these phased restrictions and it's also clear they haven't the foggiest on how to get the country out of them.

Stheno

How many people on this thread who used work in offices but can now work from home would continue to do so for say three months if it was suggested?

BanditLuke

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Officials in Spain believe 15 in every 16 cases go unreported

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html

Please sweet Jesus be true

Been a big believer of this for a while now, worldwide. I'd say the vast majority are showing no symptoms at all.

Stheno

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Officials in Spain believe 15 in every 16 cases go unreported

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html

Please sweet Jesus be true

Cannot get widespread antibody testing soon enough

polesheep

KiKi III wrote: »

Bad example. Simon Harris was due to lose his Ministry in a Dail vote, but he was re-elected handily enough eight weeks ago.

Yes. The first part. The part you seem to have glossed over.

ITman88

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Officials in Spain believe 15 in every 16 cases go unreported

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html

Please sweet Jesus be true

If it is, we are back in business

Thelonious Monk

ITman88 wrote: »

Myself included.

Will be thinking of ye all

Please don't think of me while you're doing that

Jurgen Klopp

never_mind wrote: »

Comment of the week. Sleep well!

And flick the bean well :pac:

Logan Roy

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Jesus from debate to downright anger now to wishing each other goodnight

Is that a sign of a good or a bad thing :pac:

I think people are just tired of it all at this stage, it's all going round in circles.

polesheep

ITman88 wrote: »

If someone said last January, that Simon Harris popularity would skyrocket in 6/8 weeks, I’d of eaten my own underpants.

To be fair to him, the HSE is an out of control monster and any health minister represents the soft underbelly of the existing government. That said, I'm a floating voter with no political allegiance.