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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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ITman88 wrote: »

Well the alternative is to cocoon everyone!!!

Fanny around?
I’m talking about the healthy going back to work. Try get some of the 850k to work.

And how are they paying the bills now?

Do you think we have implemented restrictions to completely eradicate Covid 19?

We haven’t, it’s here to stay, and that demographic is at risk until a vaccine

I think its roughly 20% population need cocooning....plus anyone living/interacting with them

Anyone working in old folks homes/hospideals need cocooning aswell to avoid kids espially

Like i think your completly underestimating quite how many need cocooning.....i dont want my folks to die,coz some scabby **** comes into my job and cant hack a few weeks at home

niallo27

KiKi III wrote: »

If people have adhered closely to the current regulations, the risk will have reduced substantially in six weeks.

This all started with one person in this country though, why could it not happen again. Tough decisions are going to have to be made at some stage.

martingriff

ITman88 wrote: »

Well the alternative is to cocoon everyone!!!

Fanny around?
I’m talking about the healthy going back to work. Try get some of the 850k to work.

And how are they paying the bills now?

Do you think we have implemented restrictions to completely eradicate Covid 19?

We haven’t, it’s here to stay, and that demographic is at risk until a vaccine

Of course I know its not. You know people have dies from this with no underlying health and there are also those in ICU who are young healthy. The reason for thew restrictions are to get it to a manageable state not to overrun the system and by the way they are telling the old and those with health issue to cocoon.

ITman88

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And how many people will die in India with a 20%+ hospitalisation rates if Modi et al go all out Herd Immunity.

Likely very few will die in India. The average in India is twenty something.

KiKi III

niallo27 wrote: »

They will always be vulnerable though, if restrictions are lifted in 6 weeks, these people will still be incredibly vulnerable.

If people have adhered closely to the current regulations, the risk will have reduced substantially in six weeks.

Ulysses Gaze

normanoffside wrote: »

People like you can see no context.

I have a friend in India, A country of 1.2 Billion People.
It's in total lockdown and you can't buy food for love or money.

How many people will die of starvation, malnutrition and other ailments because of our obsession with lockdown?

How many people will the lock down actually save anyway?
Look at the nursing homes here, will it make any difference to the mortality rate in nursing homes if Jimmy Or Josie is allowed to go back to their job in the city?

These questions need to be asked and considered.

I'm not saying many westerners will of starvation by the way, but many will die and suffer inadvertently from lock down measures.

And how many people will die in India with a 20%+ hospitalisation rates if Modi et al go all out Herd Immunity.

Why did the British change their minds on herd immunity. Why are the Swedes doing the same?

Can all you people backing herd immunity please actually answer some of these things?

All we seem to get from you is - Lockdown won't work because x.

How will Herd Immunity work if expert opinion says it would be calamitous for societies?

niallo27

martingriff wrote: »

So we should lock up elderly those with heart conditions, lung problems, kidney problem, people with immunosuppressants up just so you can fanny around. How about smoker, obese people. Do you know how many people that is, how about there lifes there investments there jobs, paying there bills

They will always be vulnerable though, if restrictions are lifted in 6 weeks, these people will still be incredibly vulnerable.

ITman88

martingriff wrote: »

So we should lock up elderly those with heart conditions, lung problems, kidney problem, people with immunosuppressants up just so you can fanny around. How about smoker, obese people. Do you know how many people that is, how about there lifes there investments there jobs, paying there bills

Well the alternative is to cocoon everyone!!!

Fanny around?
I’m talking about the healthy going back to work. Try get some of the 850k to work.

And how are they paying the bills now?

Do you think we have implemented restrictions to completely eradicate Covid 19?

We haven’t, it’s here to stay, and that demographic is at risk until a vaccine

niallo27

KiKi III wrote: »

You are unable to differentiate between things that are your opinion and things that are facts borne out by evidence.

Just because you think something is true doesn't mean it is.

Well its easy to make an educated guess based on data from other countries, do you really think we wont see a large spike if we lift restrictions here in 4 weeks.

Ulysses Gaze

Gael23 wrote: »

How in practice will long term social distancing work?

It won't.

It can't in modern offices unless you tell half your workforce to work from home. It will mean restricting international travel for business meetings.

It will mean long term pub closures because if you really believe publicans are going to limit the number of patrons to 20 or 30 inside in any major Irish town...just ****ing lol.

Shops and shopping malls? How will you enforce it then?

timmy_mallet

normanoffside wrote: »

People like you can see no context.

I have a friend in India, A country of 1.2 Billion People.
It's in total lockdown and you can't buy food for love or money.

How many people will die of starvation, malnutrition and other ailments because of our obsession with lockdown?

How many people will the lock down actually save anyway?
Look at the nursing homes here, will it make any difference to the mortality rate in nursing homes if Jimmy Or Josie is allowed to go back to their job in the city?

These questions need to be asked and considered.

I'm not saying many westerners will of starvation by the way, but many will die and suffer inadvertently from lock down measures.

It's a zero sum game with these opinions

KiKi III

ITman88 wrote: »

If these restrictions remain in place long term, what will pay for the restrictions required?

This is a pointless hypothetical - the only purpose of it is for you to score a rhetorical point. Why is it pointless? Because there is not even a hint of a suggestion from the government that these restrictions will remain in place long-term.

martingriff

ITman88 wrote: »

No.

It may only be people who have studied/worked hard up to now who are questioning the policies. Those who were part of a team at work and who greatly enjoyed being at work.

Some who may not have made any personal/professional investments, will, of course have absolutely no issue with the restrictions as it has no impact whatsoever on their lives.

How it doesn’t make sense to cocoon the vulnerable completely until a vaccine is produced, I don’t know.

I suppose it’s always easier to hide at home, and accuse who don’t want to of selfishness.

So we should lock up elderly those with heart conditions, lung problems, kidney problem, people with immunosuppressants up just so you can fanny around. How about smoker, obese people. Do you know how many people that is, how about their lives there investments there jobs, paying there bills

normanoffside

pjohnson wrote: »

Over 14,000 dead......do you think thats speculation?

People like you can see no context.

I have a friend in India, A country of 1.2 Billion People.
It's in total lockdown and you can't buy food for love or money.

How many people will die of starvation, malnutrition and other ailments because of our obsession with lockdown?

How many people will the lock down actually save anyway?
Look at the nursing homes here, will it make any difference to the mortality rate in nursing homes if Jimmy Or Josie is allowed to go back to their job in the city?

These questions need to be asked and considered.

I'm not saying many westerners will of starvation by the way, but many will die and suffer inadvertently from lock down measures.

KiKi III

ITman88 wrote: »

I think that’s proving a point. Restrictions are futile, only short term useful

Are you friends with any doctors or nurses, and have you shared your thoughts with them if so?

ITman88

KiKi III wrote: »

Actually it's an attempt to save the older people, people recovering from chemo or transplants, pregnant people, people with diabetes etc

If these restrictions remain in place long term, what will pay for the treatments required?

Gael23

How in practice will long term social distancing work?

KiKi III

niallo27 wrote: »

What's the alternative though, the only way to avoid that situation is if we wait for a vaccine. Its always going spike, what possibly situation will there not be a spike unless full lockdown till a vaccine.

You are unable to differentiate between things that are your opinion and things that are facts borne out by evidence.

Just because you think something is true doesn't mean it is.

pjohnson

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Gimme a ****ing break....

Its hilarious the excuses that are used.

ITman88

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The last thing we need though is to end up like Singapore.

Come out of current restrictions, only to have a major spike and order people back to current restrictions again.

How would people take that?

I think that’s proving a point. Restrictions are futile, only short term useful

niallo27

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The last thing we need though is to end up like Singapore.

Come out of current restrictions, only to have a major spike and order people back to current restrictions again.

How would people take that?

What's the alternative though, the only way to avoid that situation is if we wait for a vaccine. Its always going spike, what possibly situation will there not be a spike unless full lockdown till a vaccine.

KiKi III

never_mind wrote: »

I’m kinda back seat passenger here but can we not all show empathy once and awhile?

I don't understand. He asked what "short-term" means, and I said "weeks" rather than months or years.

martingriff

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The last thing we need though is to end up like Singapore.

Come out of current restrictions, only to have a major spike and order people back to current restrictions again.

How would people take that?

Well no and if you read my post I never said come out of restriction completely. In 4 weeks time we could allow places to open up that could comply with restriction. Social distancing will be here for months

Jurgen Klopp

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The last thing we need though is to end up like Singapore.

Come out of current restrictions, only to have a major spike and order people back to current restrictions again.

How would people take that?

I think Singapore didn't lift any restrictions. They had some restrictions, looked to be holding well and now have had a spike and have had to go into tougher restrictions.

Just giving up hope myself, seems to be so futile trying to contain this tbh

Ulysses Gaze

ITman88 wrote: »

No.

It may only be people who have studied/worked hard up to now who are questioning the policies. Those who were part of a team at work and who greatly enjoyed being at work.

Some who may not have made any personal/professional investments, will, of course have absolutely no issue with the restrictions as it has no impact whatsoever on their lives.

How it doesn’t make sense to cocoon the vulnerable completely until a vaccine is produced, I don’t know.

I suppose it’s always easier to hide at home, and accuse who don’t want to of selfishness.

Gimme a ****ing break....

never_mind

KiKi III wrote: »

I would take it to mean weeks rather than months or years.

I’m kinda back seat passenger here but can we not all show empathy once and awhile?

ITman88

niallo27 wrote: »

Does it get anymore extreme than bringing up your parents lives.

No.

It may only be people who have studied/worked hard up to now who are questioning the policies. Those who were part of a team at work and who greatly enjoyed being at work.

Some who may not have made any personal/professional investments, will, of course have absolutely no issue with the restrictions as it has no impact whatsoever on their lives.

How it doesn’t make sense to cocoon the vulnerable completely until a vaccine is produced, I don’t know.

I suppose it’s always easier to hide at home, and accuse who don’t want to of selfishness.

Ulysses Gaze

martingriff wrote: »

You can give an opinion. Like mine partial lifting over time starting from May providing of course the figures hold up with cases going down with a review every 2 weeks to see if we can go a bit further or do we need to go back a bit

The last thing we need though is to end up like Singapore.

Come out of current restrictions, only to have a major spike and order people back to current restrictions again.

How would people take that?

martingriff

KiKi III wrote: »

I've said it over and over again on this thread, I'm more than willing to defer to the experts on these matters.

I think it's absolutely nuts that people on here with zero relevant qualifications or experience think they could do a better job than people who have dedicated their entire lives to these fields.

On Boards it's rarely considered acceptable to say "I actually don't have the answers to this one", but to my mind it's the only logical position.

You can give an opinion. Like mine partial lifting over time starting from May providing of course the figures hold up with cases going down with a review every 2 weeks to see if we can go a bit further or do we need to go back a bit

pjohnson

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I mean, 10million people out of work in the US in one week.

> 100% increase in unemployment here, in 2 weeks. With a massive incresee to follow in the next two.

None of that is speculating.

Over 14,000 dead......do you think thats speculation?