Relaxation of restrictions

KiKi III wrote: »

Au contraire. There are a ton of indicators that it's going to go very badly for the UK and US in the long run.

There really aren't. There are many indicators that it is going badly short term. But, unless you can look into the future, you cannot predict the long run.

Ulysses Gaze

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Nothing more greedy or selfish than wanting to protect your parents at the expense of everyone else.

Running with the Russian Roulette of Herd Immunity would collapse the health system pretty quickly. Leading to even more deaths, and an economic catastrophe anyway.

Why did the British row back on it? Why are the Swedes looking at doing the same?

polesheep wrote: »

Neither is there any indication that they won't. As terrible as they look now, in the long run, they may come out better than us. As I said, we won't know until it's all over.

Au contraire. There are a ton of indicators that it's going to go very badly for the UK and US in the long run.

KiKi III wrote: »

Actually it's an attempt to save the older people, people recovering from chemo or transplants, pregnant people, people with diabetes etc

And somehow you think protecting these sectors of society is the selfish position. Weird world view.

could not have said it better

KiKi III wrote: »

Right, but there's absolutely no indication that countries that are floundering right now like the UK and US will eventually come out the better for it.

Neither is there any indication that they won't. As terrible as they look now, in the long run, they may come out better than us. As I said, we won't know until it's all over.

KiKi III wrote: »

The world isn't burning, drama queen.

And you're just speculating too.

I mean, 10million people out of work in the US in one week.

> 100% increase in unemployment here, in 2 weeks. With a massive incresee to follow in the next two.

None of that is speculating.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Isnt it. Harp on about it, speculate, speculate, insist everyone stays at home because of a selfish desire to save their own family while the world burns because of it.

It was not really that side I was talking about Timmy but ya there are a some I am sure

niallo27

KiKi III wrote: »

What are you basing that opinion on? Why does everything have to be so extreme on here?

Does it get anymore extreme than bringing up your parents lives.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Nothing more greedy or selfish than wanting to protect your parents at the expense of everyone else.

Actually it's an attempt to save the older people, people recovering from chemo or transplants, pregnant people, people with diabetes etc

And somehow you think protecting these sectors of society is the selfish position. Weird world view.

pjohnson wrote: »

You do realise Ireland lifting every restriction and even ordering mass orgies to bring people together wont stop America, UK, Spain or Italy or the rest of the world "burning"?

Yeah, it's not like each of those jurisdictions aren't looking to other for guidance.

pjohnson wrote: »

Gotta respect the honesty anyway. Not tryna hide behind "domestic violence" or "mental health" as a cover.

Own that greed Timmy.

Nothing more greedy or selfish than wanting to protect your parents at the expense of everyone else.

pjohnson

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Isnt it. Harp on about it, speculate, speculate, insist everyone stays at home because of a selfish desire to save their own family while the world burns because of it.

You do realise Ireland lifting every restriction and even ordering mass orgies to bring people together wont stop America, UK, Spain or Italy or the rest of the world "burning"?

pjohnson

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I'd rather say goodbye to mine then set fire to world for everyone.

Gotta respect the honesty anyway. Not tryna hide behind "domestic violence" or "mental health" or "excercise" as a cover.

Own that greed Timmy.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Isnt it. Harp on about it, speculate, speculate, insist everyone stays at home because of a selfish desire to save their own family while the world burns because of it.

The world isn't burning, drama queen.

And you're just speculating too.

martingriff wrote: »

Great get out of jail card there. Isn't it

Isnt it. Harp on about it, speculate, speculate, insist everyone stays at home because of a selfish desire to save their own family while the world burns because of it.

niallo27 wrote: »

If this is the way we choose to live our lives then no restrictions shouid be lifted until a vaccine comes out in 18 months or more. No point in saying a anything less.

What are you basing that opinion on? Why does everything have to be so extreme on here?

martingriff wrote: »

Great get out of jail card there. Isn't it

I've said it over and over again on this thread, I'm more than willing to defer to the experts on these matters.

I think it's absolutely nuts that people on here with zero relevant qualifications or experience think they could do a better job than people who have dedicated their entire lives to these fields.

On Boards it's rarely considered acceptable to say "I actually don't have the answers to this one", but to my mind it's the only logical position.

niallo27

KiKi III wrote: »

I'd rather say goodbye to my 2020 than my parents.

pjohnson wrote: »

That might be a problem for already isolated hermits with no family or friends, but most would rather avoid saying goodbye to friends and family.

If this is the way we choose to live our lives then no restrictions shouid be lifted until a vaccine comes out in 18 months or more. No point in saying a anything less.

KiKi III wrote: »

I'd rather say goodbye to my 2020 than my parents.

I'd rather say goodbye to mine then set fire to world for everyone.

KiKi III wrote: »

Luckily I don't need to figure this out because I'm not in charge of it.

I'd imagine it would involve seeing a consistent reduction in the number of people needing ICU.

Great get out of jail card there. Isn't it

pjohnson

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Say goodbye to your 2020.

That might be a problem for already isolated hermits with no family or friends, but most would rather avoid saying goodbye to friends and family.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

What data supports it and how to you propose we gather it?

People been infected (also been able to get results quick), people recovering (I hear that the briefings in the next few days may have number on this) and the death rate

polesheep wrote: »

...At the moment. Remember the tortoise and the hare? We can all say who we think is doing best. But we really won't know until it is all over.

Right, but there's absolutely no indication that countries that are floundering right now like the UK and US will eventually come out the better for it.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

How do you define 'well'?

That's a good question. I feel that we would have to wait until such time that we could look at the overall death figures within each country for a total year since the outbreak. Then look at the state of the economy in each individual country and take it from there. Although I think deaths would be the primary focus. Civilised countries strive to limit unnecessary deaths. It may just come down to which country had the least number of deaths, after average annual death rates had been subtracted. One for the number crunchers.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Well, that it, life over as we know it because we cant deal with the death, is that it?

So you just want to let people die which could have been prevented and I am not talking about just Covid 19 patients. I am talking about people with other health issues who if the hospitals are overrun will not be able to get the care they needed.

Restriction will be lifted gradually by May I say with. With bars clubs and travel been the last to be lifted. Due to this I will miss my niece/nephew been born and seen them for a few months

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Say goodbye to your 2020.

I'd rather say goodbye to my 2020 than my parents.

KiKi III wrote: »

Luckily I don't need to figure this out because I'm not in charge of it.

I'd imagine it would involve seeing a consistent reduction in the number of people needing ICU.

Say goodbye to your 2020.

KiKi III wrote: »

That may be true but it's easy enough to see which countries are doing badly.

...At the moment. Remember the tortoise and the hare? We can all say who we think is doing best. But we really won't know until it is all over.

Logan Roy wrote: »

Yes you are wrong. I want more lax measures from the end of the month, not now. There's a big difference.

There's minimal data on what happens when you do this as a handful of countries are only getting to the stage where they can do this now.

No matter what