Supporting craft breweries

listermint wrote: »

No they arent, and no its not a big risk they take.

There are thousands of youngsters out there taking debit card and sending beer to their home address... Is this what you are asserting.....

Online sales are years old this didnt start with craft breweries. Feels like you have not ordered stuff online before ?

Im not sure why the responses have such an aggressive tone to them.

I assumed that most online alcohol sales would be through the likes of Tesco who have their own delivery staff to oversee who is buying the product.

Im not asserting anything and you dont need thousands to do it to lose your licence, one will do !

It could result in a temporary closure esp as a previous poster stated that no effort was made to ascertain the age of the customer.

Shelflife wrote: »

Im not sure why the responses have such an aggressive tone to them.

I assumed that most online alcohol sales would be through the likes of Tesco who have their own delivery staff to oversee who is buying the product.

Im not asserting anything and you dont need thousands to do it to lose your licence, one will do !

It could result in a temporary closure esp as a previous poster stated that no effort was made to ascertain the age of the customer.

Oh be quiet. Kids are not buying trays of expensive craft beer, cop on.

Ballso wrote: »

Oh be quiet. Kids are not buying trays of expensive craft beer, cop on.

Again I dont get the tone of the response.

It doesnt matter if you wouldnt expect underage kids to buy craft beer or not. If there is a possibility that they can or that age verification isnt being carried out the HSE can and do carry out sting operations that can result in losing your licence.

Im not suggesting that there is a massive underage drinking problem involving craft beer brewers, I am suggesting that they are leaving themselves open to problems by not having an age verification process.

Shelflife wrote: »

Again I dont get the tone of the response.

It doesnt matter if you wouldnt expect underage kids to buy craft beer or not. If there is a possibility that they can or that age verification isnt being carried out the HSE can and do carry out sting operations that can result in losing your licence.

Im not suggesting that there is a massive underage drinking problem involving craft beer brewers, I am suggesting that they are leaving themselves open to problems by not having an age verification process.

Can you cite a specific example of a specialist supplier being losing their licence under one of these "sting operations" then? Places like Celtic whiskey and drinkstore have been offering these services for years.

Ballso wrote: »

Can you cite a specific example of a specialist supplier being losing their licence under one of these "sting operations" then? Places like Celtic whiskey and drinkstore have been offering these services for years.

Not specific to a specialist store but they do operate them in standard off licences and supermarket off licences, the law is no different for anyone supplying alcohol.

They may well have being audited and passed if their age verification is working properly , but if the delivery person doesnt verify the age of the recipient then they are open to prosecution.

Again Im responding to a poster who acknowledged the fact that a delivery of alcohol was left on his doorstep with no effort to verify the age of the recipient, if a company continues to engage in a practise like that its only a matter of time before it becomes a problem.

Fall_Guy

Shelflife wrote: »

Again I dont get the tone of the response.

It doesnt matter if you wouldnt expect underage kids to buy craft beer or not. If there is a possibility that they can or that age verification isnt being carried out the HSE can and do carry out sting operations that can result in losing your licence.

Im not suggesting that there is a massive underage drinking problem involving craft beer brewers, I am suggesting that they are leaving themselves open to problems by not having an age verification process.

The likes of Craft Central's orders are delivered by DPD, I'm sure other places are the same but I don't have personal experience of them. If the risk that you assert is a real one, it's one that others have been happy to take long before the current increase in direct selling by brewers.

listermint

Shelflife wrote: »

Not specific to a specialist store but they do operate them in standard off licences and supermarket off licences, the law is no different for anyone supplying alcohol.

They may well have being audited and passed if their age verification is working properly , but if the delivery person doesnt verify the age of the recipient then they are open to prosecution.

Again Im responding to a poster who acknowledged the fact that a delivery of alcohol was left on his doorstep with no effort to verify the age of the recipient, if a company continues to engage in a practise like that its only a matter of time before it becomes a problem.

How many kids do you know living on their own with a debit card. I mean come on are you a serious person or is this just waffling for the sake of it.

listermint wrote: »

How many kids do you know living on their own with a debit card. I mean come on are you a serious person or is this just waffling for the sake of it.

Braindead nonsense, the HSE have spun up a division to put struggling niche producers out of business via clandestine sting operations during a global pandemic

irish_goat

Mod: Alright, can we get back on topic now.

Has anyone bought online from off licenses?

I've seen people sharing pictures of deliveries from craftcentral.ie and thebeerclub.ie. The former has a flat €5 next day delivery fee, whereas the latter appears to have a much broader selection but has 2-3 days delivery.

Are there other websites I've missed? Am based in Cork if there are any breweries/off licences going locally.

Ballso wrote: »

Braindead nonsense, the HSE have spun up a division to put struggling niche producers out of business via clandestine sting operations during a global pandemic

I asked a simple question in relation to on-line sales of alcohol. I wanted to know how they complied with the current licencing laws in relation to underage sales.

I wasnt referring to the current global pandemic situation we are in , it was a general query.

I never suggested the above I merely answered the question asked.

If a complaint is made to the HSE they have to act upon it, Im well aware that craft beer isnt the usual port of call for most 16-17 year olds but they still have to be seen to comply with the law.

Pandemic aside, relying on the courier to enforce the age regulations is asking for trouble and simply isnt good practise.

I didnt come in here looking for a fight, I was simply curious and no I have never bought alcohol on line.

I asked a simple question and got two answers, first one said they relied on the courier to ensure that the recipient was over 18, the second one said a delivery was left at the door.

Im not suggesting that the Brewers are involved in any skulduggery or underhand practise but you only need one serious complaint against you to land you in trouble.

One instance where the parents are away some weekend and one of their kids orders some beers and the irate parent kicks off big time.

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listermint

Shelflife wrote: »

I asked a simple question in relation to on-line sales of alcohol. I wanted to know how they complied with the current licencing laws in relation to underage sales.

I wasnt referring to the current global pandemic situation we are in , it was a general query.

I never suggested the above I merely answered the question asked.

If a complaint is made to the HSE they have to act upon it, Im well aware that craft beer isnt the usual port of call for most 16-17 year olds but they still have to be seen to comply with the law.

Pandemic aside, relying on the courier to enforce the age regulations is asking for trouble and simply isnt good practise.

I didnt come in here looking for a fight, I was simply curious and no I have never bought alcohol on line.

I asked a simple question and got two answers, first one said they relied on the courier to ensure that the recipient was over 18, the second one said a delivery was left at the door.

Im not suggesting that the Brewers are involved in any skulduggery or underhand practise but you only need one serious complaint against you to land you in trouble.

One instance where the parents are away some weekend and one of their kids orders some beers and the irate parent kicks off big time.

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Your complaining to the HSE . Absolute ghoulery act.

There's nothing underhand going on here and your the one making it appear so. You've no idea about sales of alcohol online.

JohnDozer

Pen Rua wrote: »

Has anyone bought online from off licenses?

I've seen people sharing pictures of deliveries from craftcentral.ie and thebeerclub.ie. The former has a flat €5 next day delivery fee, whereas the latter appears to have a much broader selection but has 2-3 days delivery.

Are there other websites I've missed? Am based in Cork if there are any breweries/off licences going locally.

Bradley’s in North Main Street will deliver. Website isn’t the best but the Facebook page will give you an idea of their stock. Great selection, little bit pricier than other places alright. Number 21 in Coburg St is a great spot too, no delivery as far as I know.

JohnDozer wrote: »

Bradley’s in North Main Street will deliver. Website isn’t the best but the Facebook page will give you an idea of their stock. Great selection, little bit pricier than other places alright. Number 21 in Coburg St is a great spot too, no delivery as far as I know.

Will check out Bradley's - am familiar with them, used to pop in now and then before lockdown.

Technocentral

Fresh have a great range in Smithfield and Grand Canal, thats all I need.

Dizzyblonde

Shelflife, you're ignoring a mod instruction and insisting on dragging this thread off topic yet again, and if you don't stop you're going to receive an infraction. Your question is probably better suited to the Legal forum.

RonanC

JohnDozer wrote: »

Bradley’s in North Main Street will deliver. Website isn’t the best but the Facebook page will give you an idea of their stock. Great selection, little bit pricier than other places alright. Number 21 in Coburg St is a great spot too, no delivery as far as I know.

Bradleys is generally around 50 cent cheaper per can of beer (outside of the 4 for 10/12 offers) compared to Craft Central.

RonanC wrote: »

Bradleys is generally around 50 cent cheaper per can of beer (outside of the 4 for 10/12 offers) compared to Craft Central.

Good to know for future ref.

I ended up placing an order with Craft Central since they had Orange Velvet in stock from Lervig.

Craft Central did lack Belgian beers, which Bradley's has in abundance, so we'll revisit that when this delivery runs dry.

FWIW, I can see on Facebook that Bradley's is doing delivery for €8 (paid in cash to the driver) around Cork City.

Inspector Coptoor

randomname2005 wrote: »

How did you get 20% off, don't see it when I go through or is it a code for repeat customers?

For repeat customers

L1011

Cash? What's that?

Last used an ATM a month ago at this stage.

Zaph

Pen Rua wrote: »

FWIW, I can see on Facebook that Bradley's is doing delivery for €8 (paid in cash to the driver) around Cork City.

Not exactly a responsible social distancing policy there. My wife wanted to send something to her parents and Bradley's would have been ideal, but not using them now if they're doing that.

re Bradley's & delivery - there's a lot of back and forth on their FB page. A lot of people annoyed at €8 fee to begin with. From what I can make out, it's an independent third party doing it and therefore the fee is to be paid directly to them.

Cash in hand is a nuisance, and would preclude me from using that service as I have zero cash on my person.

Zaph

I've no problem with the delivery fee, but they need to reassess the whole cash thing. If it was built into the order cost and paid by card to Bradley's, who could then pay the delivery guy directly that would be fine. But then it would have to go through the books and he'd lose what I suspect is a nice little cash in hand bonus for him.

[Deleted User]

Are they really going to close off licences?

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Are they really going to close off licences?

[Deleted User]

Ballso wrote: »

No

I’ve heard more talk today than ever before combined. I’d say there’d be murder but there’s bigger things coming.

BeerNut

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’ve heard more talk today than ever before combined.

The anti-alcohol campaigners have been on one of their PR drives. Remove their voice from what you heard today and what's left?

[Deleted User]

If they’re going to ban anything that isn’t needed then they’re going to have to close a lot of aisles in the supermarkets anyway. Bread and water for all.