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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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lainey_d_123

KiKi III wrote: »

Okay, so we were talking about whether nights out in the pub is a privilege. That was the discussion. You have now chosen to completely change the goalposts to the point where we're talking about slums in Colombia?

I can't keep up with you at the rate you're running around in circles.

The question is whether going for a pint is a luxury available only to those with privileged lives.

Of course it isn't. That's ridiculous.

I know a few people who have lost everything in the last few weeks, and are absolutely dying for the pubs to open so they can have a pint. When things are as bad as they are, those small treats are everything.

This is the point I was making, which you missed......again.

Jinglejangle69

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You mean thick Dubs. Ireland is not just Dublin

Yeah

[Deleted User]

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

I never called you a name. You've also taken a rude tone with me, and I didn't object to that.

Tbf you did essentially compare her to the worst of tory voters??

Kind of dug your own grave as regards tone here

lainey_d_123

KiKi III wrote: »

Are you actually joking?

You've insulted my intelligence repeatedly on this thread, and in the last two pages have called me a Tory twice. You've accused me of lacking compassion for people with mental health issues even though I AM a person with mental health issues.

And then you call me out for personal abuse? What planet do you live on Lainey?

I never called you a name. You've also taken a rude tone with me, and I didn't object to that.

KiKi III

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Good God, I'm not talking about just pubs, I'm talking about any of the small things which make life better for people but aren't strictly necessary for survival. In some cultures that might be shisha, cigarettes, coffee, beer, whatever. Putting things like that in the same category as luxury goods like handbags or branded shoes is inane.

Let me just text the family I stayed with in a slum in Colombia and tell them how very privileged they are because they buy cigarettes and beer every time they go to the shop. I'm sure they'll really appreciate your insight and vast knowledge.

Okay, so we were talking about whether nights out in the pub is a privilege. That was the discussion. You have now chosen to completely change the goalposts to the point where we're talking about slums in Colombia?

I can't keep up with you at the rate you're running around in circles.

Lost implants

niallo27 wrote: »

Hang on do you think tens of thousands of people who are out of work with families who have Bill's and mortgages to pay are actually only worried about going for a pint. Are people that deluded and cut off from real life.

Are they posting dung in this thread that they think going out for a pint is a right, not a privilege?

FloatingVoter

KrustyUCC wrote: »

How long is a few weeks?

It's currently 4 weeks into restrictions

They're only lifting restrictions in Wuhan today.....four months after patient zero. All we can hope is that we had prior warning and this won't last that long.

Plumbthedepths

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Fairview Park full of sunbathers today. Like a holiday.

Restrictions are gonna be here for a long time folks.

Thick Paddy's can't follow the rules.

You mean thick Dubs. Ireland is not just Dublin

KiKi III

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Nice personal abuse. Showing your true colours there.

Are you actually joking?

You've insulted my intelligence repeatedly on this thread, and in the last two pages have called me a Tory twice. You've accused me of lacking compassion for people with mental health issues even though I AM a person with mental health issues.

And then you call me out for personal abuse? What planet do you live on Lainey?

lainey_d_123

KiKi III wrote: »

I've talked on this thread about how I'm coping with my own mental health issues (online therapy has been a saviour) so acting like I don't care about such people once again says way more about you than me. You're making an absolute disgrace of yourself with your carry on.

And it's really not my fault that you don't understand the difference between a necessity (food, clothing, shelter) and a luxury (nights out in the pub). Just because you consider them essential parts of your privileged life doesn't mean they're not luxuries. Lots of people have happy, fulfilling lives and rarely if ever set foot in a pub.

Good God, I'm not talking about just pubs, I'm talking about any of the small things which make life better for people but aren't strictly necessary for survival. In some cultures that might be shisha, cigarettes, coffee, beer, whatever. Putting things like that in the same category as luxury goods like handbags or branded shoes is inane.

Let me just text the family I stayed with in a slum in Colombia and tell them how very privileged they are because they buy cigarettes and beer every time they go to the shop. I'm sure they'll really appreciate your insight and vast knowledge.

malinheader

If China's end of restrictions goes wrong god only knows what the plan will be

niallo27

Lost implants wrote: »

Billions of people around the world barely able to feed or shelter themselves, and we have people here complaining that they can't get out for a pint, under the guise of their worry for the economy.

Sums up this thread.

Hang on do you think tens of thousands of people who are out of work with families who have Bill's and mortgages to pay are actually only worried about going for a pint. Are people that deluded and cut off from real life.

Plumbthedepths

niallo27 wrote: »

Why so, this is the only true data we have.

You said it's all that matters which it clearly is not. I don't feel any explanation would be worthwhile or beneficial to you.
The importance of testing has been mentioned here multiple times. Feel free to read back you also find the reasons for it.

KrustyUCC

FloatingVoter wrote: »

The whole point of being asked to "survive" for a few weeks is so that people will not wind up dead.

How long is a few weeks?

It's currently 4 weeks into restrictions

ITman88

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What a clueless response.

Careful with the friendly fire

Lost implants

AdamD wrote: »

This is true every day of the year, so can we never complain about anything ever again?

Complain away if you makes you feel better, economies will always rebound regardless.

KiKi III

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Actually, you're very wrong.

You're literally saying right here that if disabled people want to go outside for some fresh air, that's too bad, they can just stay in.

You're completely dismissing the needs of people with mental health issues and telling them to just suck it up and read a nice book.

You think having a drink in a pub once in a while is a luxury and not something anyone has a right to do.

Do you know what kind of people say those kind of things?

Tories.

I've talked on this thread about how I'm coping with my own mental health issues (online therapy has been a saviour) so acting like I don't care about such people once again says way more about you than me. You're making an absolute disgrace of yourself with your carry on.

And it's really not my fault that you don't understand the difference between a necessity (food, clothing, shelter) and a luxury (nights out in the pub). Just because you consider them essential parts of your privileged life doesn't mean they're not luxuries. Lots of people have happy, fulfilling lives and rarely if ever set foot in a pub.

Stheno

The Daily Mail have an article where a former WHO doctor predicts the UK will reopen pubs on May 18th

And yes I know it's the Daily Mail

lainey_d_123

KiKi III wrote: »

I have compassion for everyone effected harshly by the lockdown. You must be mistaking me with someone else.

No you don't. You've repeatedly told me and others to suck it up when we expressed worries about the mental health effects of being locked down and unable to seek treatment. You've literally just said that people who are not fit or well enough to exercise outside should just stay in rather than being allowed to sit and rest in public spaces. You've told people worried about the financial implications to suck it up.

You haven't shown a single ounce of compassion for anyone other than those who have died or will die from this virus.

They have some quare folk altogether over in London, the joggers here in Dublin go right past people, they don't stop to breathe in the faces of the elderly?

Every single London forum I've been on has entire threads of people moaning about joggers panting in their faces, not giving distance and even brushing past and making contact on the narrow pavements, but sure, you must know better.

No, it's not ideal. So everyone should do their absolute best to stay inside as much as possible for the next few weeks so that the lockdown lasts for the shortest possible amount of time. A loosely enforced lockdown will last longer... get it?

I'm not arguing with that. I'm saying that the world I live in is a real one, where people are struggling already, and getting more and more lax already, and that some of the restrictions are even counter productive.

I am effected by it you loon, I just choose to look at it differently to you.

Nice personal abuse. Showing your true colours there.

[Deleted User]

Lost implants wrote: »

Billions of people around the world barely able to feed or shelter themselves, and we have people here complaining that they can't get out for a pint, under the guise of their worry for the economy.

Sums up this thread.

This is true every day of the year, so can we never complain about anything ever again?

Lost implants

Billions of people around the world barely able to feed or shelter themselves, and we have people here complaining that they can't get out for a pint, under the guise of their worry for the economy.

Sums up this thread.

Jinglejangle69

Fairview Park full of sunbathers today. Like a holiday.

Restrictions are gonna be here for a long time folks.

Thick Paddy's can't follow the rules.

jmayo

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Having a pair of shoes other than a Sunday best was also once a luxury. Times change as does people's interpretation as to what is a luxury.

Yes TIMES CHANGE.

It's about time you grasped that when you are making your own arguments.

C__MC wrote: »

RIP to those who have passed
Genuine question though?
If numbers are still as high late next week, where are we going with all this?

Lockdown stays in place until there is appreciable continous drop off in numbers would look to be likely path.

Otherwise medical system will not be able to cope.

People can argue that this only targets people say over 70 and those compromised, but if our ICUs and A&Es are overflowing, if health care staff are drastically down then the system as a whole can't cope.

If half your ICU staff are out, registrars & consultants are out, all the ICU beds are full, A&E is backed up, what happens when there is a major road crash and you have 5 or 6 healthy young lads brought in after ploughing into another car ?

Who is there to treat them and where do you fit them in ?
What happens if they contract covid 19 whilst fighting for their lives already?

What happens if coronary care is taken over with covid 19 patients ?
Where do you fit in the heart attack patients ?

This whole thing is about making it manageable and giving people a fighting chance.

Of course to some (more than a few around here) they couldn't give a shyte about those people because they reckon it will never be them.

niallo27

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What a clueless response.

Why so, this is the only true data we have.

KiKi III

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Funny how you're so very concerned about every single life lost by covid-19 but have absolutely no compassion for the people who are going to die or be harmed by the lockdown.

I have compassion for everyone effected harshly by the lockdown. You must be mistaking me with someone else.

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

You're saying the parks should be closed because it's risky to have groups of people in them, but you think there's no risk to the public of having sweaty joggers breathing in their face?

They have some quare folk altogether over in London, the joggers here in Dublin go right past people, they don't stop to breathe in the faces of the elderly?

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Yes, it is possible to exercise indoors, but that's not the point, is it? Lots of people are told by their doctor that they need to get outside, and they're potentially facing months of not being able to do so. But that's just grand, is it?

No, it's not ideal. So everyone should do their absolute best to stay inside as much as possible for the next few weeks so that the lockdown lasts for the shortest possible amount of time. A loosely enforced lockdown will last longer... get it?

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

As long as you're not the one affected, like.

I am effected by it you loon, I just choose to look at it differently to you.

Stheno

C__MC wrote: »

RIP to those who have passed
Genuine question though?
If numbers are still as high late next week, where are we going with all this?

Tomorrow should give us more insight when they do the modelling report

Deaths lag behind a couple of weeks so they will take time to reduce

Plumbthedepths

niallo27 wrote: »

Death rate and ICU numbers are all that matters.

What a clueless response.

lainey_d_123

KiKi III wrote: »

That comment says a lot more about you than it does about me. I said nothing of the sort.

Actually, you're very wrong.

You're literally saying right here that if disabled people want to go outside for some fresh air, that's too bad, they can just stay in.

You're completely dismissing the needs of people with mental health issues and telling them to just suck it up and read a nice book.

You think having a drink in a pub once in a while is a luxury and not something anyone has a right to do.

Do you know what kind of people say those kind of things?

Tories.

FloatingVoter

C__MC wrote: »

RIP to those who have passed
Genuine question though?
If numbers are still as high late next week, where are we going with all this?

They will be (and probably higher given the holiday attitude of today and the coming weekend). Lockdown until early May is my best guess - remember everyone who's got this thing and recovered (which could be you and me for all we know) is immune for the short-term at least. For the sake of all our sanity and the beloved economy they'll have to start easing off by late May at the very latest.
That doesn't mean a Mardi Gras down the pub, but maybe some workplaces re-opening.

lainey_d_123

KiKi III wrote: »

You've been b1tching about not being able to read a book in the park for days while thousands of people in the country you're in died. Maybe get some perspective. This isn't a "severe hardship".

It's very hard to feel much sympathy for you. Oh no, there are joggers out when you go out for your milk - how do you cope?

It's possible for most people who aren't severely physically disabled to exercise indoors. Try Yoga with Adriene, free on YouTube, do some star jumps, put on your favourite songs and have a little dance in your bedroom.

I know it's hard for you to grasp, but these things are not mutually exclusive. Thousands of people are going to die of this virus whatever we do. That's a fact. People are going to die indirectly because of the restrictions. That's a fact. People are going to experience extreme financial hardship, relationship breakdowns and other awful things. That's a fact. The question is at what point does the collateral damage of this lockdown start to outweigh the benefits of it? Funny how you're so very concerned about every single life lost by covid-19 but have absolutely no compassion for the people who are going to die or be harmed by the lockdown.

You're saying the parks should be closed because it's risky to have groups of people in them, but you think there's no risk to the public of having sweaty joggers breathing in their face? Lots of elderly and at-risk people are forced to go out for food because they can't get deliveries, but you think it's fine for them to be at greater risk, just as long as there aren't people, God forbid, sitting for a rest on a park bench, nowhere near anyone else?

Yes, it is possible to exercise indoors, but that's not the point, is it? Lots of people are told by their doctor that they need to get outside, and they're potentially facing months of not being able to do so. But that's just grand, is it? As long as you're not the one affected, like.