terrydel wrote: » So you are perfectly happy to see what happened in Italy happen here? Thats the logical extension of what you say above. Be a man and at least own your beliefs, or continue to be a coward about it.
ITman88 wrote: » It may take the Attic Alan’s 12 months to realise that the impending recession will cost more life to be lost than Covid. The budget cuts will mean less health care investment if restrictions are not eased as soon as possible
terrydel wrote: » Oh look, more failure to answer. Do you practice to be this good?
housemouse wrote: » Perfect response. That is the missing data. All the signs point to a horrific cost, a waste of resources that could easily exceed the cost of the bank bailouts. Lockdown defenders are standing on a mountain of burning money, having been fully convinced by the media that there was no alternative.
Tell me how wrote: » This just reads like let others who won't impact me be in lockdown, as long as I don't have to be. Also, everyone is vulnerable to this thing or what makes you think otherwise?
jmayo wrote: » And then more and more people have the same idea and next thing you know the park is fooking full making social distancing impossible and the police then are having to try get muppets to fook off home. Waste of police time and resources. Creation of possible infection points. How fooking hard is it for some people to grasp basic fooking concepts ? Except you have the muppets who can't be told and think since they are not old or don't have any underlying condition that they can can pile into a pub getting rat ar**ed, pile up a mountainside at the weekend, pile onto a beach, etc. All the while spreading a virus that does KILL certain people. A lot of people just aren't fooking capable of following a few easy instructions. Hence we now have to have major checkpoints on major roads like N11 in Kilmacanogue right now. And less fooking numpties on bicycles out the country as well I love how we are being compared to Sweden Has anyone making that comparison ever been to Sweden ? Anyone ever noticed how law abiding they are for the most part? Ever stood at a pedestrian crossing in a Scandinavian country with absolutely no traffic and yet everyone waiting for the green light ? Why do they do that? Well it is the law and one obeys the law. A lot of the Irish, no more than those of a latin origin, seem to find following instructions difficult and hence need to be reminded even if by legal threat. So please tell us about your intimate knowledge of the ICUs in Ireland ? Pray tell us why they moved forward with co-opting the private hospitals for ICU space then ? Care to tell us why my wife's cousin is being put on immediate standby as fill in ICU nurse in nearby hospital to where she now lives ?
housemouse wrote: » This is not an argument. I can also mention countries to you: Iceland, Sweden, South Korea.
terrydel wrote: » The crying and moaning after two weeks is hilarious tho.
Tell me how wrote: » So, do you think what has happened in Italy/Spain would be good to see replicated worldwide?
lainey_d_123 wrote: » Maybe it's different in Ireland but people sitting alone have absolutely been targeted here in London, either by police or by other people. A woman in Belgium was fined for sitting in the sun reading a book in a deserted area, nowhere near anyone. I think the once-a-day 'exercise' should include being able to go and sit on a blanket in the park or on a park bench, alone. The current policy is very discriminatory against those not able to visibly exercise.
ITman88 wrote: » The lockdown fairies are completely ignoring those facts. Wuhan, Lombardy, Madrid and Paris ain’t anything like Ireland. Even our most densely populated cities never built up, they built out. We have so much working in our favour, including population density and age profile. 34 European cities have a greater population than Dublin.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » I have to say I am enjoying not as many cars on the road, it's so peaceful
thebaz wrote: » Sweden has had very few restrictions, asking citizens to behave like adults and social distance - ther figures are not of the chart -- What we have done the past few weeks has been right, to ease strain on medical service , keep it going for maybe another 2 weeks , but people then will reach breaking point - we will then need to Cocoon the elderly and immuno-suppressed, but some more essentail services will need to come back to work, who is going to pay for the 700,000 on the dole ? People are actually going hungry now in Italy , more restrictions here will lead to an East Germany/North Korea style society - I for one dont want that
ITman88 wrote: » ... Our ICU numbers are manageable, that was our goal
ITman88 wrote: » Your missing a point and proving a point at the same time
housemouse wrote: » I agree with sheltering the elderly. They should go into lockdown or self-isolation, for their own sake. Many of them would do it voluntarily, because they aren't stupid. I agree with restricting visits to hospitals and nursing homes. Staff working there need to take every precaution to avoid passing on the virus. We know who is vulnerable to this thing. Without the lockdown policy, we'd have an extra €22 billion to spend on measures to protect them.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » Exactly. And once the peak is over and the number of cases has stabilised, ideally at a low level, the lockdown has to end. Anyone who thinks we'll all be sitting at home until this is 'over' is living in cloud cuckoo land.
terrydel wrote: » Anything that causes over 50% more daily deaths than is typical on any given day is surely worthy of concern no?
Tell me how wrote: » Iceland/South Korea implemented intensive testing. The UK were going to take the approach of seeking herd immunity but could not do anything like the testing done elsewhere so the made a rapid change. So, what do you think countries who cannot do widespread testing should do?
brutes1 wrote: » 936 deaths. Only 46 of those without other health conditions . The numbers quoted hide the true picture. How many actually die because of Covid? Or how many die with it but as a result of their underlying condition. ?The vast majority I suspect Media and propaganda works. Question more. from BBC Britain's deadliest day since the Covid-19 outbreak began saw 936 more people die after testing positive. The Department for Health confirmed the UK-wide total of 7,172 included 828 deaths in England. Patients were aged between 22 and 103, including 46 people who had no known underlying conditions.
Nermal wrote: » Basic? In that case: Show me how many QALYS we have saved doing this. Show me how much we spent on them.
housemouse wrote: » You've already been told to stop squabbling with someone else. Your posts add no value and you fully deserve to be threadbanned.
Blueshoe wrote: » What is Qalys?
Tell me how wrote: » If you thought it was what if nonsense, you'd have been better off not editing your post to try to counter the point. And failing to do so.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I suggest you read my response to the poster who made the reference to draconian measures during the Blitz I already stated conflating the the present and the Blitz was a poor analogy. The rest of your comment is what if nonsense. The analogy you gave is the equivalent of using a wrecking ball to hammer a tack. Suicide bombers are a finite resource as are grenades. Would you use these valuable resources to blow up a rural pub with 2 patrons or an urban pub with 100 patrons.
Blueshoe wrote: » The idea is to support our healthcare system by reducing numbers as much as possible so they don't become overwhelmed and people are given sedatives and let die because there isn't enough equipment to go around. Basic stuff. Has been repeated since day 1
Blueshoe wrote: » Unlikely. People are complaining about restrictions , people want life to return to normal. Few months after this passes society will be the same as always. The rat race will return!
lainey_d_123 wrote: » There have been some terrible terror attacks in London, including fairly recently, and things opened back up and kept going. You don't hear anyone saying they're afraid to go to Borough Market because they might get murdered. There were loads of attacks on pubs in the North during and even after the Troubles, and they didn't all get shut down.
Tell me how wrote: » You are not comparing like with like. Do you think the pubs would have been open if the mode of attack was suicide bombers bringing grenades in to each pub?
Nermal wrote: » Forcing us to stay indoors in case we catch a virus with a 0.25% chance of killing us is the stoic course of action, then?
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