Sincere Whispering Seaside wrote: » If mortality is at most 0.02% then that would mean everyone in Italy has already been infected. They already have 0.028% of their total population dead. Your figures seem completely unlikely.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Ah yes 'terrydel' sounds like a real name, seriously lad do you believe your behaviour makes your commentary more valid than any other comment here. I make no pretence that my username is made up, making a personal attack on another anonymous poster does you no favour.
housemouse wrote: » Read all about it:https://www.businessinsider.com/iceland-coronavirus-pandemic-approach-could-help-other-countries-2020-4?r=US&IR=T
terrydel wrote: » Anonymous?! At least I post under my actual name, whereas you post under an accurate description of your level of intelligence.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Anonymous internet keyboard warrior announces he can buy and sell you, and to emphasise he says that's FACT. lol You are being stalked by an idiot.
housemouse wrote: » Oh no! I'll be devastated if you don't speak to me any more Since you're back, enjoy this reminder that herd immunity is already happening or has already happened in the UK (and no thanks to lockdown):https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-half-uk-population-oxford-university-study-finds-a4396721.html
housemouse wrote: » Almost missed this insult. As a reward, I will remind everyone reading this thread that in Iceland, 50% of those infected are asymptomatic:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/01/europe/iceland-testing-coronavirus-intl/index.html The official mortality rate is less than 0.4%:https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iceland They have done a better job at testing than other countries (due to their small size). If everybody was tested, we would know the true mortality rate. Maybe 0.1% of 0.2%.
Tell me how wrote: » Any link to this icelandic data?
terrydel wrote: » I'd buy and sell you pal, thats a fact even you can rely on.
housemouse wrote: » 1.5% mortality is not a thing. Icelandic data suggests that 50% of infected people are asymptomatic, i.e. they don't even know they have it. The true numbers of infected people are vastly higher than the official data.
Tell me how wrote: » Are you suggesting that the professor believes that China has achieved herd immunity? With a population of 1.38B people? With 80% having been infected? At 1.5% mortality rate, that would be over 16M deaths. If this has not happened, where do you think is the discrepancy in the professors viewpoint?
terrydel wrote: » See you resort to insults. Posting other peoples opinions isnt winning you an argument, the facts in front of our eyes do. Lockdown works and is working far better than the alternative, no amount of copy and pasting from your echo chamber will show otherwise. You were manifestly and demonstrably wrong to say our approach is panicked and poor. I've zero respect for you as you refuse to withdraw that comment or explain it, or admit it was wrong. SEE ya, if you want to continue that debate pm me.
ThewhiteJesus wrote: » I live in the zoo with your ma.
housemouse wrote: » Terry, every time you put some verbal excrement on this thread, I will provide another piece of evidence for the open-minded, rational people to consider. Dr Knut Wittkowski was head of the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at The Rockefeller University, New York. This is what he says about how to stop the virus: "As with every respiratory disease, we should protect the elderly and fragile because when they get pneumonia, they have a high risk of dying of the pneumonia. So that is one of the key issues that we should keep in mind. On the other hand, children do very well with these diseases. They’re evolutionarily designed to be exposed to all sorts of viruses during their lifetime, and so they should keep going to school and infecting each other. Then, that contributes to herd immunity, which means after about four weeks at the most, the elderly people could start joining their family because then the virus would have been extinguished. With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity. About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected, or they had very, very mild symptoms, especially if they are children. So, it’s very important to keep the schools open and kids mingling to spread the virus to get herd immunity as fast as possible, and then the elderly people, who should be separated, and the nursing homes should be closed during that time, can come back and meet their children and grandchildren after about 4 weeks when the virus has been exterminated. Well, what people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don’t really know why. But, what happens is if you flatten the curve, you also prolong, to widen it, and it takes more time. And I don’t see a good reason for a respiratory disease to stay in the population longer than necessary." He goes on to say that China's big advantage is that the virus peaked there before social distancing was implemented, i.e. after the Chinese people developed herd immunity: "They had an advantage that in the beginning, they didn’t know what they were dealing with. So, it took them a long time to start the containment or social distancing, which, in the course of the epidemic is good, because there was enough time for the virus to reach herd immunity before the social distancing started."
housemouse wrote: » I know Terry can't process new information, but I suspect that most people reading this thread are able to.
TheCitizen wrote: » Really? I wonder what type of weirdo would like the current restrictions but I guess there's all sorts out there. As for this thread what I'm seeing is a proliferation of panic merchant predicting doom and gloom and bitching about the restrictions that are bearing fruit it appears.
TheCitizen wrote: » That poster has a pattern. He makes a charge every now and then with an insulting reference to anyone he thinks he disagrees with but then when challenged he'll typically backtrack and come back with something like; "oh I agree with the current restrictions etc... i'm just (reasonably) asking the question how long do they need to be in force...etc..." He's not on his own on this thread, Mr 16 likes there is another prime example.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I genuinely believe there are people taking pleasure from the current restrictions. Plenty of evidence of it here.
terrydel wrote: » Name them.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Actually I'm referring to to the lockdown fetists of which they are several.
housemouse wrote: » any part of it in particular?
TheCitizen wrote: » Some people are trying to make the best of things.
terrydel wrote: » The bit you are ignoring is that lockdown works far better than the approach you are espousing.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » If you didn't watch it, I suggest you watch last night's Tonight show on the player if you can.
