Blueshoe wrote: » Once the global pandemic is under control here in Ireland I'd be in favour of business as usual.
Queasy Tadpole wrote: » Are you driving in Dublin? I was only out a few times but was stopped numerous. Most amount of checkpoints/stops I've seen in decades of driving.
housemouse wrote: » Terry, you are not worth my time. I enjoy following this thread, though, so please feel free to continue provoking me. I will continue to remind you that you aren't worth my time, and everyone will be bored by it. For everyone who isn't emotionally threatened by facts and logic, here is an article you may have missed by a retired Professor of Pathology. He explains some of the key issues surrounding the data:https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think
ThewhiteJesus wrote: » i was just in the phoenix park and it's packed, groups all sitting round each other. Nothings changed yet anyway
terrydel wrote: » And yet you still reply. Making a liar of youraelf again. When you answer the question of why our approach is 'panicked and poor', offer an alternative approach and reasons as to why its better, you can toddle off then. You where blatantly wrong calling our approach 'panicked and poor', if you can bring yourself to actually admit that, you may win back some of your longdeparted reputation.
ITman88 wrote: » The lockdown fairies are completely ignoring those facts. Wuhan, Lombardy, Madrid and Paris ain’t anything like Ireland. Even our most densely populated cities never built up, they built out. We have so much working in our favour, including population density and age profile. 34 European cities have a greater population than Dublin.
housemouse wrote: » link to the above interview:https://ratical.org/PerspectivesOnPandemic-II.html
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I suspect you are wasting your time.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I genuinely believe there are people taking pleasure from the current restrictions. Plenty of evidence of it here.
housemouse wrote: » I know Terry can't process new information, but I suspect that most people reading this thread are able to.
BanditLuke wrote: » Do you live beside the park?
lainey_d_123 wrote: » What we're doing here really isn't that much less, in terms of the virus spreading. Ireland has the advantage over cities like Wuhan of low population density as well. It's far, far easier for most people in Ireland to completely avoid contact with others than it is for people in urban China. Even getting into a lift in your own apartment block to go downstairs and accept a food delivery is far more risk than most people in Ireland currently have to tolerate.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » If you didn't watch it, I suggest you watch last night's Tonight show on the player if you can.
terrydel wrote: » The bit you are ignoring is that lockdown works far better than the approach you are espousing.
TheCitizen wrote: » Some people are trying to make the best of things.
housemouse wrote: » any part of it in particular?
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Actually I'm referring to to the lockdown fetists of which they are several.
terrydel wrote: » Name them.
TheCitizen wrote: » That poster has a pattern. He makes a charge every now and then with an insulting reference to anyone he thinks he disagrees with but then when challenged he'll typically backtrack and come back with something like; "oh I agree with the current restrictions etc... i'm just (reasonably) asking the question how long do they need to be in force...etc..." He's not on his own on this thread, Mr 16 likes there is another prime example.
TheCitizen wrote: » Really? I wonder what type of weirdo would like the current restrictions but I guess there's all sorts out there. As for this thread what I'm seeing is a proliferation of panic merchant predicting doom and gloom and bitching about the restrictions that are bearing fruit it appears.
housemouse wrote: » Terry, every time you put some verbal excrement on this thread, I will provide another piece of evidence for the open-minded, rational people to consider. Dr Knut Wittkowski was head of the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at The Rockefeller University, New York. This is what he says about how to stop the virus: "As with every respiratory disease, we should protect the elderly and fragile because when they get pneumonia, they have a high risk of dying of the pneumonia. So that is one of the key issues that we should keep in mind. On the other hand, children do very well with these diseases. They’re evolutionarily designed to be exposed to all sorts of viruses during their lifetime, and so they should keep going to school and infecting each other. Then, that contributes to herd immunity, which means after about four weeks at the most, the elderly people could start joining their family because then the virus would have been extinguished. With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity. About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected, or they had very, very mild symptoms, especially if they are children. So, it’s very important to keep the schools open and kids mingling to spread the virus to get herd immunity as fast as possible, and then the elderly people, who should be separated, and the nursing homes should be closed during that time, can come back and meet their children and grandchildren after about 4 weeks when the virus has been exterminated. Well, what people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don’t really know why. But, what happens is if you flatten the curve, you also prolong, to widen it, and it takes more time. And I don’t see a good reason for a respiratory disease to stay in the population longer than necessary." He goes on to say that China's big advantage is that the virus peaked there before social distancing was implemented, i.e. after the Chinese people developed herd immunity: "They had an advantage that in the beginning, they didn’t know what they were dealing with. So, it took them a long time to start the containment or social distancing, which, in the course of the epidemic is good, because there was enough time for the virus to reach herd immunity before the social distancing started."
ThewhiteJesus wrote: » I live in the zoo with your ma.
terrydel wrote: » See you resort to insults. Posting other peoples opinions isnt winning you an argument, the facts in front of our eyes do. Lockdown works and is working far better than the alternative, no amount of copy and pasting from your echo chamber will show otherwise. You were manifestly and demonstrably wrong to say our approach is panicked and poor. I've zero respect for you as you refuse to withdraw that comment or explain it, or admit it was wrong. SEE ya, if you want to continue that debate pm me.
