Hmmzis wrote: » Some of that can be mitigated by proper PPE and training. Wearing a mask, gloves and goggles shouldn't be that outlandish in a building site.
robinph wrote: » No, but you could run a closed site and nobody gets in or out for a month at a time. Do some variation of two weeks in isolation, two weeks in the site doing whatever needs doing and not worrying about social isolation as they are in a closed site, go home for two weeks, two weeks in isolation, two weeks on site, etc. Pay them double for the duration. If it needs doing then there are ways they can make it happen. I'm sure there isn't any social isolation going on on oil rigs or in the space station or in the antarctic bases. They are closed sites and they have full control over who gets in or out under their terms. Can do the same for a big building site if need be.
TheCitizen wrote: » A vaccine for this won't be short of funding
Idbatterim wrote: » surely the funding it bit, will be less than a drop in the ocean, given the insane daily cost this is having?
Aidric wrote: » That's the crux, there is a huge commercial vs public play here. Pharm makes a huge R&D investment in developing a vaccine but are they going to sell to the government at cost and make no margin?
VonLuck wrote: » Well what's the argument for doing it for construction sites and not any other business which is technically "closed"? Also, it may sound okay in theory, but you still have architects, engineers, one off sub-contractors, inspectors etc. visiting multiple sites and increasing the risk of spread. Hard to control.
Blueshoe wrote: » Am I seeing people trying to find an excuse to get the builders back to work while the pen pushing folk stay home. Many working from home but many also doing SFA and getting 300 a week for it? What's the reasoning behind it
Gael23 wrote: » Say they do another 2 weeks of these restrictions, what then. I imagine that will be the limit of public cooperation
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » Johnson and Johnson have already committed to selling at cost. They are ramping up production of their vaccine which they know may not be approved just to get ahead of it if it is However all the money in the world won't help magic away that they'll need at least 12 months for human testing and observations plus I'd another 6 for adequate production and deployment could even be up to 24 months and that assuming we hit the ground running with an effective one I think some vaccine was allowed skip animal trials straight to human volunteers in the US 2 weeks ago So I think as the HSE consultant said we will have to accept an attrition rate while we limp on as much as it upsets me. But unfortunately that's reality
housemouse wrote: » I've already done far more work than you in this thread. I am now here just to remind you that you failed to understand what was said. There are some other people here who might actually add to the discussion. Let's give them a chance to speak now.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » You really shouldn't waste your time, all that poster wants is an echo chamber of his own views.
TheCitizen wrote: » The public will continue to co operate. Only an idiot wouldn't.
titan18 wrote: » Start fining people like other countries imo. If people don't want to cooperate, punish them imo
robinph wrote: » Because the argument was made that social distancing isn't possible on construction sites, so I gave a potential way round that.
robinph wrote: » If other people would normally be making one off visits to a site currently, then they just need to figure out a new way of working. Either things are done remotely, or not done until the site is finished, or one of their profession stays on site and feeds back details to others off site about things that need doing. Yes it's complicated, yes it's completely different to how things operate now.
robinph wrote: » But if the alternatives otherwise are nothing gets built for another 2 years, or all construction workers get sick, then what other solutions would you have? If anything is to happen, in any industry and business, for the next couple of years then things need to be re-thought as to how it happens under the new way of life... or everyone just sits on their backside watching netflix for two years.
TheCitizen wrote: » Reasoned and researched he says:pac: This is what you said in post 1924; "The lockdown policy is driven by fear and panic.". Do you think politicians across Europe and elsewhere lockdown or impose restrictions on their countries economies due to "fear and panic"? Do you think they arrive at these difficult decisions easily? They have taken advice from the experts and have acted on that. Your post is anything but reasoned and researched, to repeat; it's utter utter bollocks.
Pretzill wrote: » I am only browsing these mega threads lately - but I've noticed a trend after the figures for the day come out so do the "I wonder when restrictions will be lifted--people won't put up with it much longer--the economy can't take it" comments. We are a small country, things could get a lot worse, a lot more quickly - I am amazed we are keeping the health service going with this pandemic at the moment and I don't say that lightly after 210 deaths - But it could get so much worse and for a country this size we could be facing horrendous fatalities if we don't abide by what are a set of not too hard restrictions. Later on, the trumpettes will come to whine about how badly things are going on the other side of the Atlantic - but we're here and for the moment we need to see the bigger picture.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » You cannot lockdown a population untill a vaccine is found its amazing that actually has to be said. You will see the alternatives in the coming weeks.
iamwhoiam wrote: » I agree , but a good idea would be to show how it’s helping . Show the public how hospitals are coping only because we stayed indoors . Show how bad things could be if we didn’t etc They need to get the public onside
Idbatterim wrote: » E350 a week. but if they have worked, that makes them stand out from tens of thousands of others here, who cream off way more than E350 a week from the state and have never lifted a finger in their life! All of this nonsense about reversing pension age to 65 etc can be knocked on the head, they can knock the annual 300,000,000 welfare bonus on the head too :rolleyes:
Aidric wrote: » What are the credible alternatives?
Plumbthedepths wrote: » If you can't see that a lockdown until a vaccine is found is not possible I don't think you would accept any alternative I or others would suggest as credible.
User142 wrote: » Nothing screams privileged more than thinking these guidelines aren't too hard.
