Wibbs wrote: » https://www.virustaticshield.com/Made the link active for you W. Looks like an interesting idea, where instead of going for filtration the fabric is coated with an antiviral substance which they claim deactivates the virus. I notice the coating only lasts three hand washes, so that's a limitation, but still. Getting one may be an issue. I'd say they're flying off the shelves. Personally I'd be looking at looking at any of the well thought out homemade and washable ideas out there that can be made with few materials and tools or skill. Anything that reduces the amount of snotters you may cough out, and reduces the amount you may breath in.
Wibbs wrote: » Here's the above video in question. Under two minutes long. Now forget about what we know now and how unbelievably bad advice this is and consider what we knew then, at least any body with a working search engine did. This is our leadership. You could not make it up.
Kivaro wrote: » Even then, it was obvious that the advice did not make sense. The HSE were behind the curve (in preparedness) on this, so they issued dangerous guidance to the residents of this State instead. I said it weeks ago; every household in the country should be receiving free masks ............ like they are doing in many other countries. They keep telling us that we are a first world country, but they are behaving as if we have 3rd world resources.
fr336 wrote: » apart from the staff (disgraceful)
Wibbs wrote: » There seems to be more mask uptake in the UK compared to here alright.
greasepalm wrote: » Everybody should cover up with something to be safer and in wearing gloves.
Gynoid wrote: » Just had a thought. With masks going to become most definitely a growing part of humankind's future are we going to epigenetically modify for bigger, stronger, stickier-out ears? :eek: Selective evolution of faulty antihelical folds? Okay. Back to not thinking again. It is better for everyone that I stop!
Wibbs wrote: » Here's the above video in question. Under two minutes long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmKfS2TkrSo This is our leadership. You could not make it up.
Bob24 wrote: » Now is probably not the time to shuffle leadership, but TBH just this short clip would justify removing him from this job once the mess is over.
Bob24 wrote: » Disgraceful indeed :-/ They are not nurses and doctors alright, but their health still is being exposed to keep society running (and they aren’t exactly the best paid employees in a country). The very least society should do (being the state or their employers) is to provide them with basic protection. Now, realistically due to previous poor panning we currently don’t have the masks for them (and rationally medical staff still takes priority over them). But still it is disgraceful.
Seanergy wrote: » Dunnes staff here now armed with masks on advice of or by the HSE? "'Since the outbreak of Covid 19 Coronavirus, Dunnes Stores has been in regular contact with the HSE.......We continue to take all our guidance relating to Covid 19 Coronavirus from this trusted and expert source. We have made available a substantial quantity of gloves and masks for our staff to wear, and also gloves for customers. We offer this choice because some people feel safer wearing gloves." Maybe some people feel safer wearing masks!
Seanergy wrote: » I don't have any trust in the HSE finding a suitable replacement.
Wibbs wrote: » Actually gloves is where I agree with the HSE and others. I'd personally actively suggest people don't wear gloves, but instead follow hand washing on the regular and sanitiser where no water is available. For a start on average viruses and bacteria last longer on gloves than they do on human skin. Human skin is designed to be a harsh environment for most of them. Wearing gloves does seem to give people more false feelings of safety.
Bob24 wrote: » Agree, gloves are for very specific use and misunderstood. I think a misconception might be that some people think contamination can happen through the skin which is not the case. Gloves act like a "second skin" and prevent actual skin from being covered in pathogens, but that "second skin" is then causing the exact some issues as our own skin does: it also gets covered in pathogens and needs to be washed/sanitised regularly (no difference between touching your face with bare skin covered with the virus or with gloves covered with the virus - both are causing a risk of infection). So I am not sure how much value they are bringing in day to day life (unless someone has no hand sanitiser and loads of gloves - if they fit/unfit them properly and change them very often them they could bring sone value). Masks on the other end are directly protecting two of the main contagion vectors (nose and mouth), which is a key difference with gloves.
Wibbs wrote: » Here's the above video in question. Under two minutes long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmKfS2TkrSo Now forget about what we know now and how unbelievably bad advice this is and consider what we knew then, at least any body with a working search engine did. This is our leadership. You could not make it up.
The World Health Organization has held off from recommending people wear face masks in public after assessing fresh evidence that suggested the items may help to contain the pandemic. The WHO reviewed its position on masks in light of data from Hong Kong indicating that their widespread use in the community may have reduced the spread of coronavirus in some regions. But in updated guidance published on Monday, the organisation maintained that while masks could help limit the spread of the disease, they were insufficient on their own. There was no evidence that wearing a mask in the community prevented healthy people from picking up respiratory infections including Covid-19, it said.
William Keevil, a professor of environmental healthcare at the University of Southampton, said governments felt under pressure to be seen to be doing something, even if it was a waste of time and valuable resources. “Cloth masks and poor quality surgical face masks will not filter fine respiratory droplets, and certainly not aerosols, which some are now claiming to be an infection risk,” he said. “The major question that needs to be addressed is: what about protecting the eyes, a known route of entry?.”
2u2me wrote: » That's the advice from Destin from Smarteveryday on youtube. Interesting video about PPE and anything else our frontline healthworkers might need for anyone who's been talking about community drive.
