brutes1 wrote: » Is Covid the cause of death or do deaths quoted include those who contract it and have this recorded in the stats. I suspect the latter How bad is this versus a normal flu season ?? What is the actual infection and mortality rate for a broad poulation sample ? Have we this. People die every day unfortunately and especially older people. This wont change no matter how long we are locked away. Time to get back to action and work and school etc I do not see the benefit of restrictions.
Nermal wrote: » To summarise: we are deprived of our liberty and we're going to suffer the largest drop in output since the great depression, but our sacrifice was worth it, as only 0.00049% of the population is dead rather than 0.00477%. Comical.
Idbatterim wrote: » https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-still-no-roadmap-for-end-to-national-lockdown-39108942.html Bringing on another recession , possibly voluntarily is idiocy of the highest order! Look a few months down the road, take the blinkers off. It’s as i feared , they’ll shut the place down in a heartbeat, they now think the urgent thing has been done and will be in no rush to do anything now. Except permanently close businesses and have hundreds of thousands sitting at home , twiddling their thumbs and launching us straight from this crisis , into the next recession. Domestic violence is up , much more of this crap and watch suicides increase... But no , let’s focus on only one metric...
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Keeping things closed for a few more weeks wont make much of a difference at this stage. The rest of the world is on lockdown, we live in a globalised world. So it's probably best to just concentrate on keeping the numbers down for now. Our economy is absolutely f*cked anyway, so opening things up wont make much of a difference at this stage. USA tends to dictate how recessions go and they're totally screwed now, which means we are too. I don't know what people expect the government to do, we're still relatively free here compared to France/Spain/Italy etc. when it comes to lockdown measures. We're all going to be broke for a while, lots and lots of jobs and businesses are gone, everything is going to change, no more foreign holidays for a while, no more city breaks, opening things up sooner isn't going to change any of that. Just accept this and be thankful the weather is nice!
lord quackinton wrote: » In 2008 our gdp contracted 8.5% Estimates predict 13.1% contraction due to Covid which is very optimistic but let’s accept 13% for now 13% contraction will be hell, but if we go to 20% which many are now predicting there will be blood The euro project would be finished immediately, just think about the fallout of that alone 2008 I was worried and nervous but these days I try and not get frightened After 2008 I had to rebuild everything, It took me 6 years to retrain and another 2 to get back to earning some money Many people did like i did Now we have to accept what is coming, I still have not yet, but I am doing my best
rm212 wrote: » Jesus it’s f’ing vile to minimise the worth of people’s lives to a small percentage like that. I’ll gladly be deprived of my liberty for whatever time is needed for the safety of myself, my family, my friends, my colleagues and the strangers around me. Who gives a rats arse about output if everyone you love dies. The virus is really eye opening to what so much of the world has become today, where people don’t matter as much as money anymore. I sometimes wish I was alive in another time where people put each other first.
rm212 wrote: » The virus is really eye opening to what so much of the world has become today, where people don’t matter as much as money anymore. I sometimes wish I was alive in another time where people put each other first.
Padre_Pio wrote: » What's an acceptable death rate for your ability to have a pint and wander the shops?
ITman88 wrote: » That is one frightening link. As I suspected absolutely no consideration for the economic destruction. As another poster previously alluded too, and I’ve regularly repeated what they said, has a risk assessment being carried out, economy vs healthcare? Reading between the lines no, “figure it out as we go along” it’s seems it not been given a great deal of attention
Nermal wrote: » Padre Pio: if I played the lottery once a week for a year I would have roughly the same chance as winning the jackpot as someone in Finland has of dying of this virus. So without putting an exact figure on it, let's just say it has to be a little bit higher than that.
BanditLuke wrote: » It's a real eye opener reading some of the comments on here for sure. Let's be thankful these people aren't in control of the situation. Small mercies
TheCitizen wrote: » This x 100. Ridiculous negative snowflaking hyperbole from some.
polesheep wrote: » Your first statement is patently wrong. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/unemployment-figure-may-have-hit-25-months-earlier-than-predicted-992570.html Your second shows complete disregard for those who live in apartments. For them, good weather may actually make matters worse.
ITman88 wrote: » We are alive in a time when people live longer than they ever have before, and they are the ones most at risk right now.
KiKi III wrote: » "Figure it out as we go along" is all any government can do right now. Show me a government who knew before their crisis peaked what they would be doing four weeks or 12 weeks later?That's what happens in an unprecedented situation.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » This is currently out of Ireland's hands though. No matter what our Government do at this stage, our economy is banjaxed, it's at the mercy of the world economy. Therefore I don't see the point in rushing things back open, which is what some posters seem to want, it will probably just hasten the spread of the disease, it's not going to fix the economy.
rm212 wrote: » Most at risk perhaps, but certainly not the only ones, absolutely not. There is still a significant risk to many other groups of people of all demographics. Furthermore, the fact that they live longer than ever does not mean that their lives are less valuable. They spent their life contributing to our society and we have a duty to look after them now. I’m not engaging with this anymore as seeing the cold, disgusting attitudes of people here is really depressing.
Idbatterim wrote: » Our domestic economy doesn’t matter now ? There is a lot outside our control. But a lot also in their control here. Keeping us in this total lockdown, is ott. Unless there is debt write off and there wasn’t last time. You might be banging a different tune , when one hundred percent of the population is living with way reduced living standards. Stand back and see the wood for the trees!
tobefrank321 wrote: » The problem is they have no proper metric to decide if restrictions should be lifted or not. The testing is all over the place. Many and probably most of the "new" cases were infected weeks ago and are only getting processed now. The "German" cases could have been infected a month ago for all we know. Its pointless adding them into "new" cases as it completely skews all modelling. They need to estimate when people were infected. And the turnaround on tests has to be 1-2 days from the onset of symptoms to test results to have any proper value, otherwise the model is skewed.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » My girlfriend lives in an apartment, she's loving the nice weather and goes for a walk before working from home every day. You can still go outside you know...
