normanoffside wrote: » It’s not just about money or economy. Have you ever considered people’s mental health/suicide rates/quality of life? For most people going to work helps them feel good. Just as an example, calls to childline are up 25% on normal. Dentist are not working. Non Covid operations cancelled. People on the waiting lists years and now back to square one. You have to assess deaths and misery caused by having a lockdown when assessing if it’s worth it.
pjohnson wrote: » I'd have thought people would be more worried about this virus that, if left unrestricted, would risk their own or their families actual lives. I'd prefer first and foremost to keep all my family members alive. I would have thought most people would think the same but this thread clearly shows different.
TheCitizen wrote: » What supply chain is being shut down? The buildings were closed down along with everything else to get a grip on the community transfer of the virus and to ensure the health system didn’t go into meltdown. Once they are over the peak some restrictions will be lifted and effective treatments will become available. They are playing this well so far, the last thing needed now is to do what you appear to be doing and panic.
Idbatterim wrote: » Think of the money ? Think of the domestic violence up , mental health issues. Suicide. Fear. Some people at near breaking point , imagine being locked up with a few kids , working from home etc. as if the corona virus , is the only thing to fear!
Thelonious Monk wrote: » So you're saying some people in apartments can't leave the apartments, or what?
Idbatterim wrote: » Gyms , cinemas etc shouldn’t reopen now in my opinion. It’s shutting down building and supply chain etc , that is total idiocy in my opinion. It’s just too much , let people adapt and innovate how they go about this situation and not a middle ground. While varadkar probably Binks he’s playing a blinder now , give it a few more weeks. When many businesses are consigned to scrap heap, we still have deaths and the vaccine is probably way out any way.
gmisk wrote: » Employers would likely be asking people to go back to the office etc, even people at risk work......so that would likely lead to rammed public transport, which really wouldn't be helpful. I can see the restrictions being lifted but not for another 4 weeks at the very minimum would be my guess, look at the majority of other countries.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Yeah but I would imagine construction will be one of the first things to be reopened, I mean it's mostly healthy men working on sites for starters! I'd say most of April will continue as is and then things like construction will come back online.
pjohnson wrote: » Yeah but what about the economy. People here would love to sacrifice off a few citizens if it meant they could earn money again. Greed more important that lives.
TheCitizen wrote: » I don’t know who said that cos you didn’t quote it properly did you? Most of the hyperbole on this thread is on the “won’t somebody think of the money” short sighted and short term and stupid attitude side.
Idbatterim wrote: » Hang on. If restrictions are lifted , who is asking anyone at risk to go out and act as all is normal ? Nobody ! It makes me laugh , no cost is too high to save lives. You haven’t been presented with your future living standards large drop bill yet !
polesheep wrote: » I think you'll find that the hyperbole was on the other side of the argument. "Who gives a rats arse about output if everyone you love dies."
Thelonious Monk wrote: » We are all going to have worse living standards, no two ways about it at this stage. The domestic economy matters and I'm sure maybe next month or so restrictions will be relaxed. But people wont be rushing out to cafes and restaurants and gyms etc so a lot of them are going to go out of business. I wont be able to pay my mortgage soon, but I very much doubt they'll evict me given the circumstances. But what can you do.
polesheep wrote: » Good for her. There are many who are not so free to do as she does. I have a fantastic garden but I realise that there are many who don't.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » My girlfriend lives in an apartment, she's loving the nice weather and goes for a walk before working from home every day. You can still go outside you know...
tobefrank321 wrote: » The problem is they have no proper metric to decide if restrictions should be lifted or not. The testing is all over the place. Many and probably most of the "new" cases were infected weeks ago and are only getting processed now. The "German" cases could have been infected a month ago for all we know. Its pointless adding them into "new" cases as it completely skews all modelling. They need to estimate when people were infected. And the turnaround on tests has to be 1-2 days from the onset of symptoms to test results to have any proper value, otherwise the model is skewed.
Idbatterim wrote: » Our domestic economy doesn’t matter now ? There is a lot outside our control. But a lot also in their control here. Keeping us in this total lockdown, is ott. Unless there is debt write off and there wasn’t last time. You might be banging a different tune , when one hundred percent of the population is living with way reduced living standards. Stand back and see the wood for the trees!
rm212 wrote: » Most at risk perhaps, but certainly not the only ones, absolutely not. There is still a significant risk to many other groups of people of all demographics. Furthermore, the fact that they live longer than ever does not mean that their lives are less valuable. They spent their life contributing to our society and we have a duty to look after them now. I’m not engaging with this anymore as seeing the cold, disgusting attitudes of people here is really depressing.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » This is currently out of Ireland's hands though. No matter what our Government do at this stage, our economy is banjaxed, it's at the mercy of the world economy. Therefore I don't see the point in rushing things back open, which is what some posters seem to want, it will probably just hasten the spread of the disease, it's not going to fix the economy.
KiKi III wrote: » "Figure it out as we go along" is all any government can do right now. Show me a government who knew before their crisis peaked what they would be doing four weeks or 12 weeks later?That's what happens in an unprecedented situation.
ITman88 wrote: » We are alive in a time when people live longer than they ever have before, and they are the ones most at risk right now.
polesheep wrote: » Your first statement is patently wrong. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/unemployment-figure-may-have-hit-25-months-earlier-than-predicted-992570.html Your second shows complete disregard for those who live in apartments. For them, good weather may actually make matters worse.
TheCitizen wrote: » This x 100. Ridiculous negative snowflaking hyperbole from some.
rm212 wrote: » Jesus it’s f’ing vile to minimise the worth of people’s lives to a small percentage like that. I’ll gladly be deprived of my liberty for whatever time is needed for the safety of myself, my family, my friends, my colleagues and the strangers around me. Who gives a rats arse about output if everyone you love dies. The virus is really eye opening to what so much of the world has become today, where people don’t matter as much as money anymore. I sometimes wish I was alive in another time where people put each other first.
BanditLuke wrote: » It's a real eye opener reading some of the comments on here for sure. Let's be thankful these people aren't in control of the situation. Small mercies
Nermal wrote: » Padre Pio: if I played the lottery once a week for a year I would have roughly the same chance as winning the jackpot as someone in Finland has of dying of this virus. So without putting an exact figure on it, let's just say it has to be a little bit higher than that.
ITman88 wrote: » That is one frightening link. As I suspected absolutely no consideration for the economic destruction. As another poster previously alluded too, and I’ve regularly repeated what they said, has a risk assessment being carried out, economy vs healthcare? Reading between the lines no, “figure it out as we go along” it’s seems it not been given a great deal of attention
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