Padre_Pio wrote: » What's an acceptable death rate for your ability to have a pint and wander the shops?
rm212 wrote: » The virus is really eye opening to what so much of the world has become today, where people don’t matter as much as money anymore. I sometimes wish I was alive in another time where people put each other first.
rm212 wrote: » Jesus it’s f’ing vile to minimise the worth of people’s lives to a small percentage like that. I’ll gladly be deprived of my liberty for whatever time is needed for the safety of myself, my family, my friends, my colleagues and the strangers around me. Who gives a rats arse about output if everyone you love dies. The virus is really eye opening to what so much of the world has become today, where people don’t matter as much as money anymore. I sometimes wish I was alive in another time where people put each other first.
lord quackinton wrote: » In 2008 our gdp contracted 8.5% Estimates predict 13.1% contraction due to Covid which is very optimistic but let’s accept 13% for now 13% contraction will be hell, but if we go to 20% which many are now predicting there will be blood The euro project would be finished immediately, just think about the fallout of that alone 2008 I was worried and nervous but these days I try and not get frightened After 2008 I had to rebuild everything, It took me 6 years to retrain and another 2 to get back to earning some money Many people did like i did Now we have to accept what is coming, I still have not yet, but I am doing my best
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Keeping things closed for a few more weeks wont make much of a difference at this stage. The rest of the world is on lockdown, we live in a globalised world. So it's probably best to just concentrate on keeping the numbers down for now. Our economy is absolutely f*cked anyway, so opening things up wont make much of a difference at this stage. USA tends to dictate how recessions go and they're totally screwed now, which means we are too. I don't know what people expect the government to do, we're still relatively free here compared to France/Spain/Italy etc. when it comes to lockdown measures. We're all going to be broke for a while, lots and lots of jobs and businesses are gone, everything is going to change, no more foreign holidays for a while, no more city breaks, opening things up sooner isn't going to change any of that. Just accept this and be thankful the weather is nice!
Nermal wrote: » To summarise: we are deprived of our liberty and we're going to suffer the largest drop in output since the great depression, but our sacrifice was worth it, as only 0.00049% of the population is dead rather than 0.00477%. Comical.
Idbatterim wrote: » https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-still-no-roadmap-for-end-to-national-lockdown-39108942.html Bringing on another recession , possibly voluntarily is idiocy of the highest order! Look a few months down the road, take the blinkers off. It’s as i feared , they’ll shut the place down in a heartbeat, they now think the urgent thing has been done and will be in no rush to do anything now. Except permanently close businesses and have hundreds of thousands sitting at home , twiddling their thumbs and launching us straight from this crisis , into the next recession. Domestic violence is up , much more of this crap and watch suicides increase... But no , let’s focus on only one metric...
brutes1 wrote: » Is Covid the cause of death or do deaths quoted include those who contract it and have this recorded in the stats. I suspect the latter How bad is this versus a normal flu season ?? What is the actual infection and mortality rate for a broad poulation sample ? Have we this. People die every day unfortunately and especially older people. This wont change no matter how long we are locked away. Time to get back to action and work and school etc I do not see the benefit of restrictions.
rusty the athlete wrote: » and Finland has a population of 5.5 million and 27 deaths.
KiKi III wrote: » The deaths are fairly easy to read. Norway has a population of 5 million and 76 deaths. Denmark has a population of 5 million and 187 deaths. Sweden has a population of 10 million and 477 deaths.
polesheep wrote: » It is only when Covid-19 stops killing people that we will be able to say which nation took the correct approach. I suspect that there may not be much difference in the long run.
jackboy wrote: » If the above figures are accurate Sweden is pretty similar to Denmark.
Tenzor07 wrote: » With regards to school closures:
is only effective when other social isolating measures are adhered to
School closures are likely to have a relatively small impact on the spread of Covid-19 and should be weighed against their profound economic and social consequences, particularly for the most vulnerable children, according to a UK study. The research, led by University College London (UCL), is the first to look at evidence behind many governments’ decision to shut schools and keep pupils at home. “We know from previous studies that school closures are likely to have the greatest effect if the virus has low transmissibility and attack rates are higher in children. This is the opposite of Covid-19,” said the study’s lead author, Prof Russell Viner, of UCL Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health. “Data on the benefit of school closures in the Covid-19 outbreak is limited but what we know shows that their impact is likely to be only small compared with other infection-control measures such as case isolation and is only effective when other social isolating measures are adhered to.”
pjohnson wrote: » I'd have thought people would be more worried about this virus that, if left unrestricted, would risk their own or their families actual lives. I'd prefer first and foremost to keep all my family members alive. I would have thought most people would think the same but this thread clearly shows different.
niallo27 wrote: » Maybe everyone is not in as a privileged position as yourself and many are worried about providing for their families or have businesses that will have to close and are anxious about having to let people go. Maybe people have big families and mortgages and are worried how they are going pay it when this is over but no no you think it's all ****en greed.
KiKi III wrote: » The point is that Sweden is doing far worse than either.
pjohnson wrote: » Yeah but what about the economy. People here would love to sacrifice off a few citizens if it meant they could earn money again. Greed more important that lives.
niallo27 wrote: » Why is Norway doing so much better than Denmark, I'm not sure are you trying to prove my argument or disprove it.
