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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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KiKi III

Gael23 wrote: »

If the restrictions last much longer those jobs won’t be back as small businesses go to the wall in their hundreds.

Right now they are able to keep staff on the books through government schemes, and I expect there will be more government support to reopen.

pjohnson

KiKi III wrote: »

The deaths are fairly easy to read.

Norway has a population of 5 million and 76 deaths.

Denmark has a population of 5 million and 187 deaths.

Sweden has a population of 10 million and 477 deaths.

Yeah but what about the economy. People here would love to sacrifice off a few citizens if it meant they could earn money again. Greed more important that lives.

Gael23

KiKi III wrote: »

It's a very different situation to 2008. The economy is about to take a very deep dip but many (not all, but many) of the jobs lost over the last few weeks will be back when the restrictions ease off.

We also came into it with lower unemployment rates, and stronger public finances. We've had a lot of FDI in the meantime and that doesn't look like it's going anywhere for the moment.

I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll be okay.

If the restrictions last much longer those jobs won’t be back as small businesses go to the wall in their hundreds.

niallo27

KiKi III wrote: »

The deaths are fairly easy to read.

Norway has a population of 5 million and 76 deaths.

Denmark has a population of 5 million and 187 deaths.

Sweden has a population of 10 million and 477 deaths.

Why is Norway doing so much better than Denmark, I'm not sure are you trying to prove my argument or disprove it.

KiKi III

niallo27 wrote: »

The swedish situation is very hard to read, for every article saying the medical profession is screaming for a lockdown you could find one saying how successful it has been and their relaxed restrictions are just as successful as more severe ones.

The deaths are fairly easy to read.

Norway has a population of 5 million and 76 deaths.

Denmark has a population of 5 million and 187 deaths.

Sweden has a population of 10 million and 477 deaths.

niallo27

faceman wrote: »

Ireland was on lockdown before the UK.

Also Sweden’s approach isn’t working. The medical profession there is screaming for a lockdown.

The swedish situation is very hard to read, for every article saying the medical profession is screaming for a lockdown you could find one saying how successful it has been and their relaxed restrictions are just as successful as more severe ones.

KiKi III

lord quackinton wrote: »

In 2008 our gdp contracted 8.5%
Estimates predict 13.1% contraction due to Covid which is very optimistic but let’s accept 13% for now
13% contraction will be hell, but if we go to 20% which many are now predicting there will be blood
The euro project would be finished immediately, just think about the fallout of that alone

2008 I was worried and nervous but these days I try and not get frightened
After 2008 I had to rebuild everything, It took me 6 years to retrain and another 2 to get back to earning some money
Many people did like i did
Now we have to accept what is coming, I still have not yet, but I am doing my best

It's a very different situation to 2008. The economy is about to take a very deep dip but many (not all, but many) of the jobs lost over the last few weeks will be back when the restrictions ease off.

We also came into it with lower unemployment rates, and stronger public finances. We've had a lot of FDI in the meantime and that doesn't look like it's going anywhere for the moment.

I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll be okay.

frillyleaf

road_high wrote: »

I think a bit of personal responsibility should kick in here then. If you have elderly dependents then don’t expose them to any unnecessary risks and if necessary lockdown with them depending on the level of care they need

Not as easy to do that in a housing market which has forced thousands of people to live with their parents. Anyone over 60 is deemed at risk and there are 500,000 people with underlying issues in Ireland.

lord quackinton

kippy wrote: »

Calm the jets.

In 2008 our gdp contracted 8.5%
Estimates predict 13.1% contraction due to Covid which is very optimistic but let’s accept 13% for now
13% contraction will be hell, but if we go to 20% which many are now predicting there will be blood
The euro project would be finished immediately, just think about the fallout of that alone

2008 I was worried and nervous but these days I try and not get frightened
After 2008 I had to rebuild everything, It took me 6 years to retrain and another 2 to get back to earning some money
Many people did like i did
Now we have to accept what is coming, I still have not yet, but I am doing my best

[Deleted User]

Idbatterim wrote: »

theyll likely freeze things as are, for no valid reason for all of the restrictions currently in place, that will be their "plan" We get hit by the corona virus bus and they are going to throw us under the recession bus now aswell...

Most of the globe is in some form of a lockdown... Everyone is economically hit. But I'm frankly happy to put public health first.

smurgen

Idbatterim wrote: »

I’mistening to an “ expert “ from hse. Saying there are less cases than they expected even a week ago. The ventilator production globally has gone through roof...

Must say after the weird stance the HSE took on face masks I'm taking their expert advice with a pinch of salt .

kippy

lord quackinton wrote: »

There is plenty on here like that
My question is do these people not have jobs that may be gone if the lockdown goes on longer?
Are they not worried

Let me make 1 quick but important point
The economic figures from America are frightening beyond anything since records began
Ireland will be affected deeply and there will be many job losses and with this will come huge cuts to welfare and public sector pay and jobs
2008 saw minimum cuts to some base welfare payments and public sector employees saw extra taxes and rate of new recruits slashed but little job losses
But will happen the world economy is truly scary and People are not going to accept the fallout this time
I know I will sound alarmist but Ireland needs to be put on a real war footing

Calm the jets.

lord quackinton

citysights wrote: »

Someone here or on another thread called them the lockdown- fetishists, they just can’t wait for it. They should be careful of what they wish for, freedoms are hard won.

There is plenty on here like that
My question is do these people not have jobs that may be gone if the lockdown goes on longer?
Are they not worried

Let me make 1 quick but important point
The economic figures from America are frightening beyond anything since records began
Ireland will be affected deeply and there will be many job losses and with this will come huge cuts to welfare and public sector pay and jobs
2008 saw minimum cuts to some base welfare payments and public sector employees saw extra taxes and rate of new recruits slashed but little job losses
But will happen the world economy is truly scary and People are not going to accept the fallout this time
I know I will sound alarmist but Ireland needs to be put on a real war footing

Thespoofer

road_high wrote: »

Virtually nothing is open bar food shops and a few essentials. What else would you like to do? Close those down as well? Because we are pretty much at rock bottom as regards restrictions. Anything else running is pretty much ancillary to the food and medical chain like agriculture and pharma. Next stop is total lockdown and the army drop food to people’s doors from warehouses

I wouldn't agree with it but restricting alcohol sales ( I repeat, I wouldn't agree with it)

faceman

GT89 wrote: »

They are only doing because everywhere else in Europe is doing it especially the UK. Our government will always follow the herd and will never take a more innovative approach to anything like Sweden who would often take a different approach to all sorts of matters than the rest of Europe.

I am convinced the "lockdown" was only going to be done as soon as the UK did it and it was as it was done a few day after the UK. You watch if the UK imposes further restrictive measures Ireland will soon follow suit regardless of the number of infections and they will take the same approach as the UK when it comes to eventually lifting the "restrictions".

Ireland was on lockdown before the UK.

Also Sweden’s approach isn’t working. The medical profession there is screaming for a lockdown.

Padre_Pio

Idbatterim wrote: »

I’mistening to an “ expert “ from hse. Saying there are less cases than they expected even a week ago. The ventilator production globally has gone through roof...

I wonder where we would be without restrictions?
Looking at the deaths per pop. we're fortunately better than most of Europe. UK has twice as many deaths per million as us.
Hopefully we can keep this up for a few more weeks until the overall global situation is clearer.

TheCitizen

GT89 wrote: »

They are only doing because everywhere else in Europe is doing it especially the UK. Our government will always follow the herd and will never take a more innovative approach to anything like Sweden who would often take a different approach to all sorts of matters than the rest of Europe.

I am convinced the "lockdown" was only going to be done as soon as the UK did it and it was as it was done a few day after the UK. You watch if the UK imposes further restrictive measures Ireland will soon follow suit regardless of the number of infections and they will take the same approach as the UK when it comes to eventually lifting the "restrictions".

We closed schools before the UK. The UK came in for criticism for a slow initial response with schools open and sporting events going ahead. They changed tack after that, so it’s inaccurate to say we only copied what the UK did on this.

Idbatterim

I’mistening to an “ expert “ from hse. Saying there are less cases than they expected even a week ago. The ventilator production globally has gone through roof...

TheCitizen

Idbatterim wrote: »

why cant idiotic decisions like shutting down building, the trades and the hundreds of thousands of related jobs in supply, not be overturned immediately? no... lets do more damage...

re-open building suppliers etc and let many people bored off their tits at home, do jobs around the house / garden...

You think it’s idiotic. Did you see what happened in Italy and Spain where they had to decide that ventilators were to be given primarily to those under 70? We’re doing these restrictions in the hopes that won’t happen here.

GT89

TheCitizen wrote: »

You’re reporting that post? I’m stirring **** by referring to someone coming up with a phrase like lockdown fetishists as being off? Why would anyone want a lockdown? Why would the government and the powers that be want to shut the economy down temporarily unless they had to?

I think a few posters on here have taken leave of their senses and need to chill out and recognise that the restrictions are working and that we’re hopefully getting back to a place where restrictions can be lifted soon.

They are only doing because everywhere else in Europe is doing it especially the UK. Our government will always follow the herd and will never take a more innovative approach to anything like Sweden who would often take a different approach to all sorts of matters than the rest of Europe.

I am convinced the "lockdown" was only going to be done as soon as the UK did it and it was as it was done a few day after the UK. You watch if the UK imposes further restrictive measures Ireland will soon follow suit regardless of the number of infections and they will take the same approach as the UK when it comes to eventually lifting the "restrictions".

Danzy

Idbatterim wrote: »

why cant idiotic decisions like shutting down building, the trades and the hundreds of thousands of related jobs in supply, not be overturned immediately? no... lets do more damage...

re-open building suppliers etc and let many people bored off their tits at home, do jobs around the house / garden...

You need to argue your case with evidence rather than feelings and opinions.

You have the certainty of the pub drunk but we need clear decisions based on what is rather than what we want.

TheCitizen

niallo27 wrote: »

Its slowly turning to the majority on this thread. Few people I have talked to are getting quiet angry with the situation with nobody having a clue what the plan is.

The plan is clearly being spelled out to them with regular updates. They want to see it beyond the peak and then they can give a guestimate on restrictions beginning to be lifted. A contributor on Virgin Media tonight suggested end of May. It was a guesstimate from an expert on the situation. I think if we get to then with as few lives lost as possible and the health service not reaching meltdown we’ll have done a great job. We need to keep the head to get there.

Padre_Pio

niallo27 wrote: »

Its slowly turning to the majority on this thread. Few people I have talked to are getting quiet angry with the situation with nobody having a clue what the plan is.

I don't think so. It's a sh*t situation we're all in. If BoJo or some other high profile person dies we'll be locked in for weeks more.

The UK is going gangbusters with cases and deaths, France too. Until us and our neighbours show a consistent decline then social restrictions will stay in place.

All were doing is prolonging this and taking pressure off the hospitals, we're not curing this or defeating this. There'll be no vaccine this side of Xmas.

Idbatterim wrote: »

why cant idiotic decisions like shutting down building, the trades and the hundreds of thousands of related jobs in supply, not be overturned immediately? no... lets do more damage...

re-open building suppliers etc and let many people bored off their tits at home, do jobs around the house / garden...

Because people by and large are idiots. If you start opening some shops, they'll be flooded with people just out of boredom. Think of the thousands who go for a wander around shopping centres at the weekend.

I think that some shops should do a call and collect service though. Minimal staff, even do a minimum order amount or something.

Idbatterim

TheCitizen wrote: »

You’re reporting that post? I’m stirring **** by referring to someone coming up with a phrase like lockdown fetishists as being off? Why would anyone want a lockdown? Why would the government and the powers that be want to shut the economy down temporarily unless they had to?

I think a few posters on here have taken leave of their senses and need to chill out and recognise that the restrictions are working and that we’re hopefully getting back to a place where restrictions can be lifted soon.

why cant idiotic decisions like shutting down building, the trades and the hundreds of thousands of related jobs in supply, not be overturned immediately? no... lets do more damage...

re-open building suppliers etc and let many people bored off their tits at home, do jobs around the house / garden...

TheCitizen

scamalert wrote: »

you been warned by mod before today, so hopefully moderator sees your stirring **** and keep going off topic for your own sick agenda. reported.

You’re reporting that post? I’m stirring **** by referring to someone coming up with a phrase like lockdown fetishists as being off? Why would anyone want a lockdown? Why would the government and the powers that be want to shut the economy down temporarily unless they had to?

I think a few posters on here have taken leave of their senses and need to chill out and recognise that the restrictions are working and that we’re hopefully getting back to a place where restrictions can be lifted soon.

Idbatterim

niallo27 wrote: »

Its slowly turning to the majority on this thread. Few people I have talked to are getting quiet angry with the situation with nobody having a clue what the plan is.

theyll likely freeze things as are, for no valid reason for all of the restrictions currently in place, that will be their "plan" We get hit by the corona virus bus and they are going to throw us under the recession bus now aswell...

Danzy

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/its-worth-the-sacrifice-for-the-next-few-weeks-taoiseach-indicates-lockdown-past-april-12-39106942.html

'It's worth the sacrifice for the next few weeks' - Taoiseach indicates lockdown past April 12

They are signing the deathnell for many businesses and are going to destroy the economy again, my issue with the economy, isnt primarily about seeing the $$$, look at the societal cost, the last time the economy imploded!

The lockdown is damage limitation, that's why it is being done, it sure as **** isn't about saving a few thousand lives.

They are taking the path of least economic and social damage.

martingriff

I say 3 more (including this week) of this and then a relaxation of some places been able to open up as long as they can do the guidelines of social distancing.

Pubs and clubs to remain close as be impossible to enforce in them.

Parks beaches etc to be patrolled to make sure social distancing well be enforced.

All of this is of course if people follow the rules for the 3 weeks.

niallo27

TheCitizen wrote: »

Turning to what? There’s no evidence of any such thing, it’s just a few posters on boards

Its slowly turning to the majority on this thread. Few people I have talked to are getting quiet angry with the situation with nobody having a clue what the plan is.

TheCitizen

niallo27 wrote: »

People are turning though, the number that are doing so is getting bigger by the day.

Turning to what? There’s no evidence of any such thing, it’s just a few posters on boards