TheCitizen wrote: » The hysteria on this thread is from those who can’t hold their nerve and who fail to recognise that the restrictions put in place are there for important scientifically and medically backed reasons and crucially appear to be working. The Time is now more than ever to hold our nerve and have the courage to see this through.
road_high wrote: » I agree. I was in DIY stores two or three weeks ago and it was absolutely fine. Certainly more spread out than the supermarkets are. Can’t see why the likes of McDonald’s etc can’t be open and just do take aways or drive thrus. It’s all very well just say “lock down” (usually coming from hysterical people that don’t work I can see and think money just comes from the post office and welfare office). I’d like to see an easing but with very sensible and strict distancing in place. Far more useful use of the Gardai time than asking people where they’re going for a drive. Would also ease the burden on social welfare
lord quackinton wrote: » Let’s be realistic here Unless deaths are substantial at the end of April it’s time to open all businesses including pubs cafes hotels Keep a ban on large crowds until end of July then open that up This virus may not be seasonal and a vaccine could take 2 years , should we lock down indefinitely If we stay in lockdown we will destroy our economy and 2008 will seem like a Garden tea party in comparison
KiKi III wrote: » a) That’s literally the first time I’ve made that point b) If I should choose to make the same point more than once, that’s my prerogative. Do you have anything of substance to contribute?
Logan Roy wrote: » You've made your point over and over again. Thank you.
TheCitizen wrote: » At the minute technically it is an indefinite lockdown. I don’t know what you mean by a backlash. Those in power are not locking down society and shutting down business by choice or lightly. This “backlash” you speak of, what form will it take? There was no backlash or not much of a one bar a few demonstrations etc. when they decided to nationalise the gambling debts of the bankers and wider financial industry in 2008. That banking scandal added €120 billion to our national debt. This crisis will add around €30 billion when it has worked its way through according to some projections. Also the banks are being used and being encouraged to help bail out regular people and industry this time. If there wasn’t mass public unrest in 2008 I don’t think we’ll see it now with this, not in Ireland anyway.
Idbatterim wrote: » people going spare at home at this stage, re-open garden centres and building suppliers and just be sensible. The rest can follow, but closing them and putting hundreds of thousands ouf of employment, is idiocy!
KiKi III wrote: » Japan’s numbers are questionable as there is strong suspicion they fudged their numbers to keep the Olympics. Denmark, who went into a shutdown early - at a point many on this thread would have been screaming “overreaction” are now looking at lifting their restrictions after Easter.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » They have comparatively few cases, though, and they had a head start of at least a month on us. If a lockdown is the answer to everything, why have they had so few cases in spite of taking fairly conservative measures? Early on they closed tourist sites and schools, and this seems to have hugely slowed the spread compared to the way we did it - do nothing for a few weeks and then close down everything.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Whether you agree or not there is a limit on how long restrictions like we have in place can continue before you are met with a backlash. By both the populace and the need to start the economy. An indefinite lockdown is impossible and no western government would attempt it.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Japan has prehaps the oldest demographic on the planet. The elderly and ill are the most at risk from this virus. Surprised if Japan escapes relatively unscathed.
TheCitizen wrote: » I wasn't being sarcastic. Although the example I used the character Mr Wolf was being sarcastic, (and seems to be getting me into bother) but generally if you want people to do something it's best to ask them nicely and to praise them for their efforts. It's also common courtesy. It is the right thing to do though and it looks like it's working so by hook or by crook, you keep it up as long as needed.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Do you think sarcasm gives your comments greater credibility?
BanditLuke wrote: » You'd fear for Tokyo if they lose control of it. Then again they have a very very obedient population who will follow instructions in order to minimise the problem.
ZX7R wrote: » Japan never really had a hand one the day after the Olympics was cancelled there numbers jumped, the Olympics was more important to them
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » Then after that I read Japan is going to declare a state of emergency for Tokyo, one of the ones that "had a handle on it"
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » So Leo today says “And like I say, if we remove restrictions, there is a real risk that the virus will start to spread again. But we also know that the restrictions can’t last forever. And we also know that there are secondary consequences to the restrictions too.” Then after that I read Japan is going to declare a state of emergency for Tokyo, one of the ones that "had a handle on it"
Lwaker. wrote: » Politicians are focused on the optics Doesn't always equal s great result
Idbatterim wrote: » shutting down builders, trades and the hundreds of thousands of related jobs onto the dole! Its so typical of this country, it is over the top. The other closures are all fair enough. This bit is idiocy though in my opinion. To shut everything down. Its not like the cure is a week or two away. This nanny state, let people on this front, make their own choices. The private sector has this mad ability to problem solve and innovate , the public sector and government, wouldnt understand. I think if this goes on long, when the analysis begins, depending on where all this ends up, but if its somewhere particularly bad, I hope these fools dont make a bad situation, even worse! The conservative attitude here, helps in the initial stages, but I think they have created worse headaches now, than what it is solving. Its all ok saying "take no chances" they or sorry , WE! will be dealing with the personal and state finances fall out from this !
JustAThought wrote: » The ferry ports and airports are running night and day with people arriving here from more restricted regimes overseas and coming and going from holidays . When o when are they going to start placing restrictions on who can come into the country and doing what they do in other countries - isolate in lockdown facilities not private houses, independently and daily test - and When clear THEN let let roam/ home.
