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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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easypazz

Idbatterim wrote: »

dont worry, not a chance! There would be anarchy, if they havent got vaccine in reasonable time frame. People can just go out and take their chances IMO. If you dont want too, cocooon...

The chance thing for the vast majority of us, even if we get it, will involve likely feeling a bit **** for a few days, big woooop! I believe some people dont even know that they had it!

That will be a phase at some point, if it bothers you cocoon, and here's €203 a week.

And if you get it and there are not enough beds you are sedated in a special hospital and you either recover or die.

scamalert

gozunda wrote: »

Incorrect and wrong. The impact of ignoring the science will have a much greater impact on our society than a bunch of people acting like petulant kids because they cant go out to play.

Make as much opportunity as you can from rhexrestrictiobs. If that means learning a language or even taking up knowing god forbid- do it. Stop moaning. You have no idea how other people are situated.

The number of frankly daft comments in the forum about herd immunity and the virus only being a 'mild disease' for most does not stand up to scrutiny.

There will be changes. The economy will return. I doubt it will be like anything we've known before or since.

link to where you claim people with mild cases develop organ failure, and long lasting disability, you pose to rely on expert sources yet seems you keep making $hit as you go.

oceanman

lalababa wrote: »

AFAIK we are only at around 150 ICU beds being used by C-19 patients. I think we have 400+ ICU beds but don't know how many are being used for non C-19 patients. Around 450 ventilators with 900 ordered to be delivered fairly soon.
I think after the 12th April some restrictions should be lifted...IF the ICU beds are not under too much pressure. Over 70's to be able to get out into the countryside/walking whilst not being able to shop. Lifting the 2km rule. Some jobs/trades back such as builders.And take it from there.

in seven days time!...I very much doubt it

Max H

Borrowed from a friend, so very apt at the moment

As someone with a Masters in disease control, you can only imagine the sheer hell on earth that Facebook is for me at the moment.

From Chantelle who has impressively made the leap from bath bomb retailer to consultant virologist in a matter of weeks and can tell you exactly why the government and their experts are wrong, to Bob who claims to have secret intel from a secret government group on the secret programme of secret treatment measures that the government are definitely bringing in at 3pm next Thursday, only it’s a secret, but he’s posting it on Facebook so he feels like 007, to Steve who thinks it’s all a load of bollocks and if he wants to wander round town he bloody well can cos he doesn’t feel sick and why the **** is ‘spoons shut cos his granddad didn’t fight the nazis for him to be told to stay inside even if pornhub premium is now free for a week.

I tried as hard as I could in my studies and in my work in disease control to avoid viruses like the plague (see what I did there?) because they are absolute bastards. Bacteria are so much easier to control and parasites are positively dreamy. Viruses are utter bastards (did I mention that?) because you can do almost **** all to them. To deal with viruses you have to deal with the viral vector instead. That’s the weak point for a virus. Its vector. Only in this case the vector is humans, bloody stupid, arsehole humans like Chantelle, Bob and Steve. Viral control is about psychology more than it’s about medicine and that’s what’s scary about it. Giving everyone a pill is easy, getting everyone to listen and change their behaviour is a ****ing nightmare.

The virus is just chugging along being a virus, it’s living it’s best life #livelaughcough. You can’t ignore it out of existence, scaremonger it away or become magically immune by gargling with vinegar, donning a decorating mask or sticking a live frog up your arse and swanning round town like an immortal dickhead. You have to actually do what you’re being told to do. YOU.

YOU. You can stop it. Do what you’re told. Stay the **** inside. Stop thinking you’re an expert, stop thinking you know best, stop thinking you’re a rebel, stop trying to be a special little cupcake. Be a sheeple. Do what you’ve been asked to do. This is NOT your time to shine sweet cheeks, this isn’t your opportunity to over throw the system and save mankind. It’s your opportunity to sit tight, watch Netflix and save mankind.

The virus does not give a **** about you. You’re just a stepping stone, a host, a nameless, faceless breeding ground and launchpad. All it gives a **** about is reproducing and finding new hosts. Don’t let it. Break the chain. Shut the hell up. Stop spreading fake news, fear and gossip. Let the experts be the experts and do what they tell you because all the googling, all the conspiracy theories, all the spoilt princess routines and all the voodoo bull**** in the world is not going to help you one little bit. This is not about YOUR ego, it’s about OUR survival. So act for the good of us all and do what you’re being asked to d

gozunda

ITman88 wrote: »

Exactly that, you are only considering a short term health impact. Your argument in the 1st place was one you imagined, no one here suggested the virus was harmless, however you don’t grasp the economic catastrophe and extended lockdown would cause.You may not have a mortgage, you may not be stuck in an apartment, you may enjoy not having to work. Others aren’t so lucky.
Anyone who is considering the complete impact of the restrictions is an eejit in your opinion.
We know little about the virus long term effects but we can accurately predict the revenue deficit and unemployment figures.

Incorrect and wrong. The impact of ignoring the science will have a much greater effect on our society than a bunch of people acting like petulant kids because they cant go out to play.

Make as much opportunity as you can from the restrictions. If that means learning a language or even taking up knitting god forbid - do it. Stop moaning. You have no idea how other people are situated.

The number of frankly daft comments in the forum about herd immunity and the virus only being a 'mild disease' without some fairly serious effects such does not stand up to scrutiny.

There will be changes. The economy will return. I doubt it will be like anything we've known before or since.

Nermal

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah thats great - which exact studies in Iceland btw?

Post a link to the study you referred to earlier.

scamalert

gozunda wrote: »

No - the point you are missing is that those checked for the disease in that study ( including those who did not test positive and / or were asymptomatic showed changes consistent with the disease). The study conducted CT scans of all the study subjects hence the findings.

Yeah thats great - which exact studies in Iceland btw? Did they CT scan all those people? Do they know they do not have lung tissue damage?

Ffs - talk about scraping the barrel! No one claimed lung damage was "present in all asymptomatic people"

The fact is that it is a known consequence of the disease for some asymptomatic people.. How many? We simply dont know. Will you or I get that? Who the fuk knows at this stage. It's an ugly lottery. And if you dont - your mate who you gave it to - may not be so lucky ...

give a valid link for those that have no to little symptoms or are asymptomatic that they develop disability pneumonia and organ damage or seriously f off to the main hysteric thread, instead of spreading misinformation as atm your embarrassing yourself.

ITman88

gozunda wrote: »

And if you dont - your mate who you gave it to - may not be so lucky ...

Nothing better than a bit of emotional black mail to force an opinion home.

gozunda

AdamD wrote: »

This is a study of patients. There have been studies in Iceland showing a large % of people testing positive having showed no symptons and therefore having never been patients. That's the point you are missing

No - the point you are missing is that those checked for the disease in that study ( including those who did not test positive and / or were asymptomatic) showed changes consistent with the disease. The study conducted CT scans of all the study subjects hence the findings.

Yeah thats great - which exact studies in Iceland btw? Did they CT scan all those people? Do they know they do not have lung tissue damage?

polesheep wrote: »

Ground glass opacity has not been found to be present in all asymptomatic people, therefore your scaremongering statement was factually incorrect.

Ffs - talk about scraping the barrel! No one claimed lung damage was "present in all asymptomatic people"

The fact is that it is a known consequence of the disease for some asymptomatic people.. How many? We simply dont know. Will you or I get that? Who the fuk knows at this stage. It's an ugly lottery. And if you dont - your mate who you gave it to - may not be so lucky ...

ITman88

gozunda wrote: »

So facts and published data are an 'agenda' lol.

I'm going with the scientific status quo - anyone who thinks they know better than that- qualifies as an 'eejit for sure

The point is scientists and medical professionals now know for certain that a 'mild' case description is relative. The virus carrys with it the risk of pneumonia and organ damage in both 'mild' and asymptomatic cases respectively. Will everyone be affected? Based on the evidence most likley not. The problem is we do not know who will be affected. At best it's an ugly lottery.

Ah so I see you are now a risk assessment specialist and an economist. Brilliant!

Await with baited breath for such deep thought analysis of the pandemic lol.

Exactly that, you are only considering a short term health impact.
Your argument in the 1st place was one you imagined, no one here suggested the virus was harmless, however you don’t grasp the economic catastrophe and extended lockdown would cause.

You may not have a mortgage, you may not be stuck in an apartment, you may enjoy not having to work.

Others aren’t so lucky.

Anyone who is considering the complete impact of the restrictions is an eejit in your opinion.

We know little about the virus long term effects but we can accurately predict the revenue deficit and unemployment figures.

lalababa

AFAIK we are only at around 150 ICU beds being used by C-19 patients. I think we have 400+ ICU beds but don't know how many are being used for non C-19 patients. Around 450 ventilators with 900 ordered to be delivered fairly soon.
I think after the 12th April some restrictions should be lifted...IF the ICU beds are not under too much pressure. Over 70's to be able to get out into the countryside/walking whilst not being able to shop. Lifting the 2km rule. Some jobs/trades back such as builders.And take it from there.

Idbatterim

rusty the athlete wrote: »

But at least we are not living under Trump, Johnson and Löfven ( the Swedish disaster). I think Leo is holding a good steady line in the circumstances apart from initial wobblies about whether or not to can cancel St pats day.

he seems goog comapred to the others alright, but he is just doing what makes sense and taking advice from others etc so far...

growleaves

In a normal society there is prudence and a balancing of priorities.

That's why previous generations would not have put up with a lockdown. Even at the height of polio children were not kept indoors, they were just told not to swim.

It is a monomania that has gripped Ireland now and things like the attempted suspension of the Dáil go unnoticed and uncommented on.

One of the maddest things about this monomania is that anyone who questions it is characterised as thinking about themselves only ('selfishness'). An incredibly tendentious assumption.

gozunda

ITman88 wrote: »

The name calling from posters because others don’t share similar agendas is shocking.What you have quoted doesn’t account for the large number that are symptomless.Accurate figures will not be available until the end of the year.
So valid arguments exist for many different approaches in the mean time, it’s called risk assessment. That risk assessment will unfortunately place life vs economy.

So facts and published data are an 'agenda' lol.

I'm going with the scientific status quo - anyone who thinks they know better than that- qualifies as an 'eejit for sure

The point is scientists and medical professionals now know for certain that a 'mild' case description is relative. The virus carrys with it the risk of pneumonia and organ damage in both 'mild' and asymptomatic cases respectively. Will everyone be affected? Based on the evidence most likley not. The problem is we do not know who will be affected. At best it's an ugly lottery.

Ah so I see you are now a risk assessment specialist and an economist. Brilliant!

Await with baited breath for such deep thought analysis of the pandemic lol.

niallo27

joseywhales wrote: »

I could do this for two years before I would feel it's pointless

Not everybody has money like you to survive.

rusty the athlete

Idbatterim wrote: »

We will only know, months or a year etc from now, how good or bad the decisions have been...

But at least we are not living under Trump, Johnson and Löfven ( the Swedish disaster). I think Leo is holding a good steady line in the circumstances apart from initial wobblies about whether or not to can cancel St pats day.

niallo27

Amia Thundering Engineer wrote: »

Interesting. What's your take on it?

I really dont know, I'm not knocking what your saying. I just think what your proposing is too long.

Idbatterim

joseywhales wrote: »

I could do this for two years before I would feel it's pointless

dont worry, not a chance! There would be anarchy, if they havent got vaccine in reasonable time frame. People can just go out and take their chances IMO. If you dont want too, cocooon...

The chance thing for the vast majority of us, even if we get it, will involve likely feeling a bit **** for a few days, big woooop! I believe some people dont even know that they had it!

Idbatterim

rusty the athlete wrote: »

Hear hear! Like the Dublin Metro, West Coast Railway Line, hospitals and so on.

I assume work on the worlds most expensive hospital has stopped, sums up the idiocy of it all, why build it during the last recession and keep thousands in jobs here and avail of way cheaper tender prices! :rolleyes:

that could have then worked on providing housing etc... It is an appallingly managed country!

joseywhales

I could do this for two years before I would feel it's pointless

Idbatterim

the country being so politically conservative, helped, because look at us v the uk or US etc, where they are very different HOWEVER on the flip side, I hope this doesnt hold us back for months , because they will always take the initial "easy way " out here. By that I mean, they will likely just close as much as possible and adopt their "deal with it tomorrow" attitude, which should be this countries motto!

We will only know, months or a year etc from now, how good or bad the decisions have been...

never_mind

Stheno wrote: »

Friday I'd imagine

I think it’s horrible doing that on a Friday. A Thursday night would be better so we can enjoy the weekend rather than going in with immense fear. Let us enjoy the flipping weekend.

rusty the athlete

Idbatterim wrote: »

This country does "plans" and "inaction" like no other, there is no point in trying to spoof this

Hear hear! Like the Dublin Metro, West Coast Railway Line, hospitals and so on.

Idbatterim

as plumbthedepths said, imagine they said, this shut down last a month, people would lose their mind, nah, two weeks, then announce another two weeks. An extended lock down, wont work. We dont know how long a vacinne might take, what will we do? sit around for months like this? its suicide on the economic front too. I think they are going to have to allow some sort of middle ground. People will just have to be clever, about how they sell and buy...

This country does "plans" and "inaction" like no other, there is no point in trying to spoof this, they cant. I hope they are actually working on practical measures. We can all speculate, as to how this will play out. But I dont think this current lock down, is practical for more than a month, at most!

Shutting down builders, trades and building suppliers. It will stop the spread to an extent, but there is another several hundred thousand on welfare, that CANT work remotely! Like I said, to do this for a week or two, to get more PPE , facilities, testing in place, debatable. But this is not practical in anything other than the very short term!

0gac3yjefb5sv7

niallo27 wrote: »

Everyone out of work for 4 months. The payment subsidy is only for 12 weeks.

Interesting. What's your take on it?

niallo27

Amia Thundering Engineer wrote: »

I'd say end of April and then back to previous restrictions for a longer period...maybe 2 months or more.

Everyone out of work for 4 months. The payment subsidy is only for 12 weeks.

omeara1113

I'd say another two weeks from next Sunday and then to relax things a little

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There's no if, they will be. Two weeks was said to get people on board. We will be told it's working but another 2 weeks is necessary subject to review again and then a further 2 weeks. Although I suspect 4 weeks of this is the longest they will get with the present restrictions before people start pushing back.

I'd say end of April and then back to previous restrictions for a longer period...maybe 2 months or more.

Plumbthedepths

greenfield21 wrote: »

When will know if the restrictions are been extended.

There's no if, they will be. Two weeks was said to get people on board. We will be told it's working but another 2 weeks is necessary subject to review again and then a further 2 weeks. Although I suspect 4 weeks of this is the longest they will get with the present restrictions before people start pushing back.

is_that_so

Here's a link to piece on exit strategy, and comments from Ferguson on it

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52171176?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5e89c7bbcfdb750670d9c0e0%26What%20is%20the%20coronavirus%20crisis%20%27exit%20strategy%27%3F%262020-04-05T12%3A09%3A45.220Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:99ef6fd1-a257-4528-96d6-bab529c83405&pinned_post_asset_id=5e89c7bbcfdb750670d9c0e0&pinned_post_type=share