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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Stheno

greenfield21 wrote: »

When will know if the restrictions are been extended.

Friday I'd imagine

greenfield21

When will know if the restrictions are been extended.

lainey_d_123

padser wrote: »

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe you live somewhere so small that you are limited in how much food you can buy by a "small amount of space in a press"

Food (that doesn't need refrigeration) can be kept anywhere. A weeks supply would take up maybe a square foot.

Do you honestly believe you dont have the ability to buy and store a few weeks worth of food???

What planet are you on? Do you think I can even carry 'a few weeks worth of food'? I can only manage one bag each time I go to the shops and it isn't enough for a whole week when I'm eating 3 meals a day at home.

I live in a box room with a single bed and a small built-in wardrobe which is already full to the brim with clothes and other essential things. I have a few inches of space under the bed, where I put anything that fits there, like my laptop, phone, headphones, Kindle and a few books.

If anyone wants to see an example of people 'not getting it', here we are.

ZX7R

User142 wrote: »

New measures on way as Holohan urges public to flatten coronavirus curve more.
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/new-measures-on-way-as-holohan-urges-public-to-flatten-coronavirus-curve-more-39103611.html

Anyone know if there's any substance behind this. No other side has anything and this is behind a paywall.

There was new measures interduced for nursing home and other institutions yesterday.
The committee are to meet this week in relation to extending the current restrictions that are due to end the 12th

padser

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

I can only buy small amounts of food at a time because I only have one shelf in the fridge and a small amount of space in a press.

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I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe you live somewhere so small that you are limited in how much food you can buy by a "small amount of space in a press"

Food (that doesn't need refrigeration) can be kept anywhere. A weeks supply would take up maybe a square foot.

Do you honestly believe you dont have the ability to buy and store a few weeks worth of food???

User142

New measures on way as Holohan urges public to flatten coronavirus curve more.
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/new-measures-on-way-as-holohan-urges-public-to-flatten-coronavirus-curve-more-39103611.html

Anyone know if there's any substance behind this. No other side has anything and this is behind a paywall.

2Mad2BeMad

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Honestly, even a balcony would feel like an unbelievable luxury to me. A colleague of mine just posted a picture of him on his balcony with an iced coffee. Being able to enjoy hours of fresh air and sunshine without having to be outside on the street is something most people here don't even have.

I live in a small apartment ground floor but no front or back garden with my missus and kid.
What we would give for our own garden.
Her friend lives on the top floor with a big balcony and it sounds like heaven

lainey_d_123

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I just saw a piece on BBC filmed in a tiny flat in Barcelona . Mam , Dad and 4 year old all crammed into a very small space for three weeks now . They have a tiny balcony which the use one at a time for freshair . Its a nightmare for them , he goes to the loo occasionally for some quiet time
It saddened me as that struggle in multiplied in so many cities and countries

Honestly, even a balcony would feel like an unbelievable luxury to me. A colleague of mine just posted a picture of him on his balcony with an iced coffee. Being able to enjoy hours of fresh air and sunshine without having to be outside on the street is something most people here don't even have.

MadYaker

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Well personally I've been working from home for over 3 weeks now and limiting movements and I'm sick of it.

I'm generally fine on my own and taking it easy at home but I'd rather just catch this thing and be done with it one way or another at this point rather than putting everything on hold in the hope of somehow avoiding it for a while.

I'm reading posts of people cracking up after a week. I don't see how the current - never mind more severe - restrictions will hold under those circumstances.
About the only way - unfortunately - is if deaths start rocketing upwards next week before the current measures are due for review.

Unfortunately the current setup will likely be extended until the end of the month. In May if the virus is under control we’ll get some gradual relaxation and beyond that it’s impossible to speculate.

Plumbthedepths

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I just saw a piece on BBC filmed in a tiny flat in Barcelona . Mam , Dad and 4 year old all crammed into a very small space for three weeks now . They have a tiny balcony which the use one at a time for freshair . Its a nightmare for them , he goes to the loo occasionally for some quiet time
It saddened me as that struggle in multiplied in so many cities and countries

I live in a four bed bungalow on an acre of land 10 miles from the nearest town. I couldn't imagine being couped up in such a small space, it must really play havoc with relationships and mental health. Situations like you described are one of the reasons why an indefinite lockdown is impossible.

iamwhoiam

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

I'm starting to see it IRL too. All the Instagram dahlings posting from their beautiful homes with cute little gardens telling everyone else to 'just stay in' are being very tone deaf. The community here (a very poor area) are being very good with the distancing but people are starting to get sick of being shamed for being outside, for sitting on a park bench so their new baby can get a bit of sun, or for being forced to go shopping on the high street because nobody can get a supermarket delivery slot. The resentment is starting to creep in a bit. It's 20 degrees today and people quite understandably just want to feel a bit of sun on their faces and see some grass.

I understand that if everyone sat on a park bench or lay in the sun on a blanket, we'd end up back at square one, but the shaming is getting a bit grating. I'm not even poor, I just live in this rubbish flat because I'm temporarily based in London. I can't imagine how stressed I'd be if I was struggling to afford groceries or nappies for my kid on top of all this.

I just saw a piece on BBC filmed in a tiny flat in Barcelona . Mam , Dad and 4 year old all crammed into a very small space for three weeks now . They have a tiny balcony which the use one at a time for freshair . Its a nightmare for them , he goes to the loo occasionally for some quiet time
It saddened me as that struggle in multiplied in so many cities and countries

lainey_d_123

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Years ago, I shared a 2nd floor flat in NW London and completely agree with this.We had no access to the garden as it was owned by the Freehold owners of the ground floor flats.

Now I am an introvert and prefer my own company but that would drive me insane if I were there now.

Not being able to go out and sit anywhere? Or be shamed because I want, nay need, exercise after being cooped up in a two bed flat with a galley kitchen and a small common area?

It's horrible. I don't think people who haven't lived somewhere like this can truly understand how crap it is. I'm sharing with people I don't particularly know or like, I can only buy small amounts of food at a time because I only have one shelf in the fridge and a small amount of space in a press.

I need to get out and exercise, but doing so puts me at risk because the pavements are full of joggers and cyclists because of the busybodies who reported people to the police for minding their own business in the park, sitting alone and reading books or enjoying the sun. So now it's even worse for those of us who don't have a nice big private garden and our own space to exercise.

The nice weather is making it all seem so much worse, to be honest. I'm sitting here with the sun streaming in the windows, not even allowed to sit and read a book outside and with no idea when I'll be able to do that again. People here NEED the outside communal spaces.

ITman88

Blueshoe wrote: »

Do you not realise that people are dying. If hospitals become over run many many more will also die. Talk about selfishness ffs

As pragmatic as it sounds people will possibly die at the same rate when Covid is a distant memory.

The point of overrunning the hospitals is the most relevant point, hopefully but the end of this week we should know where we stand in Ireland regarding the ICU dependancy.

The restrictions aren’t going to save a great deal of lives, only prevent overwhelming the health service.

ZX7R

BanditLuke wrote: »

UK looking at possibly going further. Think we'll have to do likewise unfortunately

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-follow-lockdown-rules-or-we-will-ban-outdoor-exercise-health-secretary-warns-11968783

A stop big difference here, nobody going to parks sunbathing or going to beaches
Nothing like what's happening in England is happening here now at the moment.

Ulysses Gaze

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

I'm starting to see it IRL too. All the Instagram dahlings posting from their beautiful homes with cute little gardens telling everyone else to 'just stay in' are being very tone deaf. The community here (a very poor area) are being very good with the distancing but people are starting to get sick of being shamed for being outside, for sitting on a park bench so their new baby can get a bit of sun, or for being forced to go shopping on the high street because nobody can get a supermarket delivery slot. The resentment is starting to creep in a bit. It's 20 degrees today and people quite understandably just want to feel a bit of sun on their faces and see some grass.

I understand that if everyone sat on a park bench or lay in the sun on a blanket, we'd end up back at square one, but the shaming is getting a bit grating. I'm not even poor, I just live in this rubbish flat because I'm temporarily based in London. I can't imagine how stressed I'd be if I was struggling to afford groceries or nappies for my kid on top of all this.

Years ago, I shared a 2nd floor flat in NW London and completely agree with this.We had no access to the garden as it was owned by the Freehold owners of the ground floor flats.

Now I am an introvert and prefer my own company but that would drive me insane if I were there now.

Not being able to go out and sit anywhere? Or be shamed because I want, nay need, exercise after being cooped up in a two bed flat with a galley kitchen and a small common area?

[Deleted User]

The people who have been going out like nothing is happening have no shame anyway.

lainey_d_123

Blueshoe wrote: »

Do you not realise that people are dying. If hospitals become over run many many more will also die. Talk about selfishness ffs

I could also say it's selfish to force people to stay indoors, subject to domestic violence and abuse and risk of suicide. There have already been several murder-suicide cases in the UK directly linked to the coronavirus situation.

Someone is always going to lose out here.

lainey_d_123

Logan Roy wrote: »

The tone of this thread has really changed, the frustration is creeping in!

I'm starting to see it IRL too. All the Instagram dahlings posting from their beautiful homes with cute little gardens telling everyone else to 'just stay in' are being very tone deaf. The community here (a very poor area) are being very good with the distancing but people are starting to get sick of being shamed for being outside, for sitting on a park bench so their new baby can get a bit of sun, or for being forced to go shopping on the high street because nobody can get a supermarket delivery slot. The resentment is starting to creep in a bit. It's 20 degrees today and people quite understandably just want to feel a bit of sun on their faces and see some grass.

I understand that if everyone sat on a park bench or lay in the sun on a blanket, we'd end up back at square one, but the shaming is getting a bit grating. I'm not even poor, I just live in this rubbish flat because I'm temporarily based in London. I can't imagine how stressed I'd be if I was struggling to afford groceries or nappies for my kid on top of all this.

never_mind

Blueshoe wrote: »

Do you not realise that people are dying. If hospitals become over run many many more will also die. Talk about selfishness ffs

Lol. Not going to even reply to this directly but this is exactly what I meant!

Fearghal Bowers is saying this could go on til August. Weep.

Blueshoe

never_mind wrote: »

To be fair, what’s the point of living if we had to live like this long term. A very vocal minority of boardsies dismiss mental health constantly.

Do you not realise that people are dying. If hospitals become over run many many more will also die. Talk about selfishness ffs

iamwhoiam

easypazz wrote: »

People in vulnerable groups can go out for exercise.

No they can’t

polesheep

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

A good quote from this:

This is exactly the point. We now have a situation where poor people are being shamed by people living in nice, big houses with private gardens and fully stocked fridges. The vast, vast majority of people are complying, but obviously on a day like today, 20 degrees and sunny, people want to get out of the house.

I was just out for a jog and sat down for a few minutes' breather on a bench, and some absolute middle aged wagon carrying oh-so-essential bags from the posh deli had the audacity to shout over to tell me I shouldn't be 'sitting around'. I was on a bench, miles away from anyone, in exercise gear getting one single hour of sun and exercise before going back to my tiny box room in a tower block, and this woman is trying to shame me for being outside? Fcuk this ****, and this is why there are going to be social issues and unrest here in London.

You think people aren't without food or money? Huge numbers of people have just lost their jobs, and are facing weeks of waiting to even get universal credit, let alone the money the government promised to replace their salary. You are being very naive if you think there won't soon be huge problems in London if people are not able to return to work soon.

Selective quoting there. What do you propose we do then? Just sit in the house for 18 months?

At the moment the people in the UK are following the lead of the government, however, the time may come when the government will follow the lead of the people.

Logan Roy

The tone of this thread has really changed, the frustration is creeping in!

polesheep

gozunda wrote: »

Your own ignorance in that comment is only surpassed by your inability to do your own research.

Asymptomatic patients* have been found to have organ damage - that is undisputed. Afaik- the totals have not been finalised.

The following Lancet paper details a study of a family group (5 of whom were diagnosed with the coronavirus) including two children aged 7 and 10 years - found that that the two asymptomatic children had ground-glass lung opacities identified by CT scan (compatible with changes seen in viral pneumonia)
Ground glass opacity has not been shown to be present in all asymptomatic people, therefore your scaremongering statement was factually incorrect and ignorant.

Plenty of other research which show similar case studies.

But go ahead - stick your head in the sand, your fingers in your ears and believe whatever you like.

Ground glass opacity has not been found to be present in all asymptomatic people, therefore your scaremongering statement was factually incorrect.

lainey_d_123

ITman88 wrote: »

The name calling from posters because others don’t share similar agendas is shocking.

What you have quoted doesn’t account for the large number that are symptomless.

Accurate figures will not be available until the end of the year.
So valid arguments exist for many different approaches in the mean time, it’s called risk assessment.

That risk assessment will unfortunately place life vs economy.

Unbelievable how the word 'patients' in there wasn't a tip off that maybe the entire cohort studied were exclusively people who were so ill that they had to be hospitalised.

lainey_d_123

BanditLuke wrote: »

UK looking at possibly going further. Think we'll have to do likewise unfortunately

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-follow-lockdown-rules-or-we-will-ban-outdoor-exercise-health-secretary-warns-11968783

A good quote from this:

Asked whether she agreed with Mr Hancock, Labour's newly-elected deputy leader Angela Rayner told Sky's Sophy Ridge: "It's alright for people who have got big houses and huge back gardens to say that.

"But actually if you're stuck in inadequate accommodation, you've got no back garden, you've got nowhere to go and you're all on top of each other, quite literally, then I think people should do social distancing and should keep their distance but also be reasonable and proportionate about that."

This is exactly the point. We now have a situation where poor people are being shamed by people living in nice, big houses with private gardens and fully stocked fridges. The vast, vast majority of people are complying, but obviously on a day like today, 20 degrees and sunny, people want to get out of the house.

I was just out for a jog and sat down for a few minutes' breather on a bench, and some absolute middle aged wagon carrying oh-so-essential bags from the posh deli had the audacity to shout over to tell me I shouldn't be 'sitting around'. I was on a bench, miles away from anyone, in exercise gear getting one single hour of sun and exercise before going back to my tiny box room in a tower block, and this woman is trying to shame me for being outside? Fcuk this ****, and this is why there are going to be social issues and unrest here in London.

TheCitizen wrote: »

Another alarmist post. I don't know exactly the position in Italy, I doubt you do either but that doesn't stop you pretending you do. even if that was the case in Italy, it isn't the case in the UK; they are not without food or money etc.. So no, it's highly unlikely there'll be "civil unrest" in the UK.

You think people aren't without food or money? Huge numbers of people have just lost their jobs, and are facing weeks of waiting to even get universal credit, let alone the money the government promised to replace their salary. You are being very naive if you think there won't soon be huge problems in London if people are not able to return to work soon.

gozunda wrote: »

For the eejits proposing the debunked theory of 'herd' immunity and of the majority with 'mild' or no symptoms. Get a grip and do some actual research

A World Health Organization examination of data from 56,000 patients suggests:

In terms of Covid-19 - the term 'mild' is relative and may include disability, fever, pneumonia and up to 2 - 3 weeks recovery and full quarantine from others.

Additionally (at least some)* of those lucklily enough to be totally asymptomatic have been found to exhibit considerable organ damage including the presence of 'ground glass type opacities' to the lungs.

So with even 'mild' covid19 - there is no guarantees. More importantly you also risk infecting others who may not be so lucky ...

Selective quoting there. What do you propose we do then? Just sit in the house for 18 months?

[Deleted User]

gozunda wrote: »

For the eejits proposing the debunked theory of 'herd' immunity and of the majority with 'mild' or no symptoms. Get a grip and do some actual research

A World Health Organization examination of data from 56,000 patients suggests:

In terms of Covid-19 - the term 'mild' is relative and may include disability, fever, pneumonia and up to 2 - 3 weeks recovery and full quarantine from others.

Additionally (at least some)* of those lucklily enough to be totally asymptomatic have been found to exhibit considerable organ damage including the presence of 'ground glass type opacities' to the lungs.

So with even 'mild' covid19 - there is no guarantees. More importantly you also risk infecting others who may not be so lucky ...

This is a study of patients. There have been studies in Iceland showing a large % of people testing positive having showed no symptons and therefore having never been patients. That's the point you are missing

ITman88

gozunda wrote: »

For the eejits proposing the debunked theory of 'herd' immunity and of the majority with 'mild' or no symptoms. Get a grip and do some actual research

A World Health Organization examination of data from 56,000 patients suggests:

In terms of Covid-19 - the term 'mild' is relative and may include disability, fever, pneumonia and up to 2 - 3 weeks recovery and full quarantine from others.

Additionally (at least some)* of those lucklily enough to be totally asymptomatic have been found to exhibit considerable organ damage including the presence of 'ground glass type opacities' to the lungs.

So with even 'mild' covid19 - there is no guarantees. More importantly you also risk infecting others who may not be so lucky ...

The name calling from posters because others don’t share similar agendas is shocking.

What you have quoted doesn’t account for the large number that are symptomless.

Accurate figures will not be available until the end of the year.
So valid arguments exist for many different approaches in the mean time, it’s called risk assessment.

That risk assessment will unfortunately place life vs economy.

irishgeo

gozunda wrote: »

You want everyone to do your research for you? Yes indeed - that is one study - plenty of other research which shows similar if you can be bothered taking your finger out.

No one is 'jumping to conclusions ...that everyone is going to get it" btw

The purpose of the above is to point out to the eejits who seem to believe mild or asymptomatic automatically means a walk in the park.

Nope but at least you are correct once there. The medical professionals have no idea if such damage is permanent or otherwise.

Thats why I detailed there are no guarantees.

So whats your odds of infecting someone else who may not be so lucky?

And you can provide a link for your unsupported assertion about "breathing exercises" ...

I agree with you, people who think sure its grand ill get it, might have an underlying condition they are unaware of such a heart problem which could lead to complications.

Its dangerous to talk of infecting yourself just to get it over and done with especially with a virus we have been studying for less the 5 months.

TheCitizen

ITman88 wrote: »

Never have I had to deal with such explicit attention from an admirer as yourself. You watch my every move and post accordingly, only addressing myself, and it appears your only activity on boards.

I am flattered, and I should pay you more attention, my ignoring your posts seems to rile up your responses

LOL if you did actually ignore me I wouldn’t bother exposing you any longer but you only ignore what’s suits you. As Bertie said to someone on the opposing benches years ago; “you’re a waffler”