fryup wrote: » where are all the masks???watch this
pm1977x wrote: » Any chance of a summary, quarantine or no I don't have 1 hour 11mins to throw away on some random youtube video?
Daigou is a form of cross-border exporting in which an individual or a syndicated group of exporters outside China purchases commodities for customers in China for quick profit
fryup wrote: » its basically to do with the chinese practice of Diagou its happening at moment with masks ...recently it happen with baby food in Australia, shorter video
Manion wrote: » I not too sure what people want the government to do now when it is so challenging getting PPE for ordinary people.https://www.businesspost.ie/health/hse-audit-large-amounts-of-ppe-from-china-unfit-for-use-by-frontline-staff-0ac8084f If they made wearing masks mandatory or even advisable weeks ago potentially we would have a lot fewer cases but also we'ed likely to have no PPE for those who really need it now. I think this reality factored into the advise.
millb wrote: » https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113059152&postcount=9703 I'm not sure who this company are? Anyway IRRC they went on overtime to supply China and Italy in Jan / Feb.. Nobody has said much about them since then (until Harris mentioned them Thursday) where they source raw material / who owns them / whether they are export only... working 24x7 etc etc. What insight they did or did not provide for HSE procurement? The likes of Intel and many Pharma plants have brill PPE systems and even the DIY sector plus knitwear - garment producers all have a role and inputs to make not to mention www ...... here is an informative articlehttps://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h694/infographic
jackofalltrades wrote: » 1. Be honest with the public about masks 2. Encourage people to make their own fabric masks at home and wear them when they're outside 3. Provide informational videos about the proper use of disposable masks and gloves These simple steps alone could make a huge difference
cryptocurrency wrote: » Are you saying there is a great big mask cover up that is costing lives
khalessi wrote: » Basically yes
cryptocurrency wrote: » That is exactly why they didn't support it. Washing your hands with soap become the new sanitizer as they knew thye had none.
Arrival wrote: » Once the information came out about it having a gestation period of up to 14 days, while still being infectious in asymptomatic people, it was fairly easy to understand the possibility of it spreading globally.
cryptocurrency wrote: » Training. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xLjCfmx0iE Count yourself trained now.
Bob24 wrote: » For a starter they could stop lying and instead start being honest with the population. I.e. stop saying that masks are useless and instead start saying that while they are useful for now the priority is it to provide supply for the most exposed medical staff to protect the people who are exposing their own health to keep our health system running and thus save our lives. At some point we will have more supply of masks and they might have to recommend wearing them in order to help release the lockdown. How will it look if all of a sudden they start saying masks are recommended/mandatory after having said for weeks that they were useless?
Wibbs wrote: » Actually A that wasn't widely known until well into February. Indeed the press conference I posted earlier from the 5th of March with our own infectious diseases "expert" Cormican stated that this was not the case, that viral shedding in asymptomatic people was of very low risk, so low that if you were living with someone who had contact with an infected person and they weren't showing symptoms, you should live your life as normally as possible. That was as dumb as a rock statement to make when A) things were still up in the air and when evidence was already in the public domain, never mind in the medical domain that this was foolish advice to be handing out to the Irish public as gospel. People's memories tend to be highly selective after the fact and timeframes contract. And we'll see this with masks as they become a "thing" and many who said they were of no value will no do turnabout and forget they ever said such a thing. We're all prophets in hindsight and pessimists will eventually end up being right. The stopped clock being right twice a day principle.
khalessi wrote: » Today a similar question and the response was essentially they take their lead from WHO At the moment the WHO are looking at reviewing their policy on public and masks.
Manion wrote: » Not sure the government ever stated they where useless. Pretty certain the advise was that you don't need to use them to use them if not sick. I also think people are in general not capably of understanding complex messaging and that things are changing and the advise is evolving with. Much rather attribute maliciousness or incompetently as thats easy. I won't think any less of them if the advise is updated to recommend and later make mandatory the wearing of masks. I'd assume we've reached a point where thats the best guidance.
YFlyer wrote: » Are you saying that washing with soap and water is not effective?
cryptocurrency wrote: » no but they have dismissed anything they know in short supply
Wibbs wrote: » Some pharmacies are being responsible and not price gouging, some are very much not.
2u2me wrote: » Eric Weinstein put it beautifully on the Joe Rogan podcast, they should have been open from the start, put their hands up and admitted they had a shortage. Instead they continue to lie and say we don't need them. Utterly despicable.
The Hound Gone Wild wrote: » How do you know without knowing the cost price for these pharmacies?
Bob24 wrote: » The HSE clearly states that “using masks is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick”: https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself.html That is pretty much the same as saying they are useless to you if you don’t have symptoms (which is wrong in two ways: a good mask will offer partial protection against contamination, and there are asymptomatic cases for which a mask would prevent them from contaminating others). And I think most people are capable of understanding that constrained ressources have to be managed in a way which preserves the operational capability of our health system. It is not rocket science that if frontline workers are not protected and many get sick, then there will be no one to take care of patients anymore so it is the top priority. I think what the government is more afraid of here is to be held accountable for our lack of capability to deliver more PPE (through strategic stocks or local production) which doesn’t compare well with some Asian countries; rather than the public not understanding why health workers have to be given priority.
Wibbs wrote: » . No revolution or heads on pikes as he was suggesting required. This is not America.
Manion wrote: » OK so they didn't say they were useless, that comes from you.
cnocbui wrote: » It it's possible he meant the blindingly obvious, which is that facilities for washing hands, and the opportunities available to use them, are significantly fewer than the times one needs to decontaminate ones hands, which is where hand sanitiser comes in to play.
