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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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TheCitizen

Deleted User wrote: »

Doing a great job in this country. Can’t see restrictions going much further than end of April.
Hopefully a return to normality for summer time.

Yep fair play. Concerned about The North and the rest of the UK who were slow off the mark in comparison

Stheno

ITman88 wrote: »

I had mentioned vaccine in my previous post not treatment.

Prevention is better than cure.

The poster you replied to was talking about treatment not vaccines

[Deleted User]

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Maybe she was going to leave it on your doorstep to pick up? Maybe she didn't want to put herself at risk by going into the post office, and preferred to just drop it off?

If I'd done someone a favour and this was their attitude, you can bet they'd be waiting a very long time for the next one.

It's understandable for anyone who is immunocompromised to be in a heightened state of concern.

[Deleted User]

Doing a great job in this country. Can’t see restrictions going much further than end of April.
Hopefully a return to normality for summer time.

TheCitizen

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

The trial is testing 4 different combos of approved medications used to treat other conditions.

I have been following the hydroxchloroquine and Cubas Alpha which show promise but it's a bit of a stretch to claim it will be months we see effective treatments available.

The unfortunate thing is they could all prove to have little to no effect in treating C19

Fingers crossed tho.

Or on the other hand it could result in positive news in a matter of months. With the combined effort that's going into it I'm optimistic, I know that won't go down well with some of the doom and gloom merchants around here. I don't think the WHO are inclined to make overly optimistic projections.

Plumbthedepths

ITman88 wrote: »

You got a warning over that?????

And some of the waffle about death rates is allowed!!!

I'm still waiting for an explanation as why another poster was quoted in a warning to me.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Maybe she was going to leave it on your doorstep to pick up? Maybe she didn't want to put herself at risk by going into the post office, and preferred to just drop it off?

If I'd done someone a favour and this was their attitude, you can bet they'd be waiting a very long time for the next one.

Even so, it’s totally unnecessary. I’m vulnerable to this virus as I have lung metastases. I shouldn’t have had to tell her that that was a stupid idea. These are incredibly stressful times for anybody with an underlying condition. I took a delivery of a prescription this week from a Garda. That was very different as those are drugs that are keeping me alive. I had politely asked her to send the battery by the way and I’ll be transferring her money for it too. I’m not ungrateful about that. By posting it, she can do some disinfection and the person-to-person contact is almost non-existent.

Yes, I will be blunt about things like this because my life is threatened at the moment.

ITman88

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yeah, that’s the craziest infraction I’ve seen on boards. It’s nowhere close to the most scaremongering coronavirus post I’ve seen on these forums. And it’s clearly an opinion which is what boards.ie is all about. Imagine if we all to provide citations for our opinions? I’ll probably get infracted for criticising a mod action. But whatever. Bring it.

In the words of Lord Sumption (Ex UK Supreme court judge) last week “a hysterical slide into a police state”

lainey_d_123

Gael23 wrote: »

Given the situation surely there must be a way to expedite trials?

They will be expedited, but there are still processes to follow. Would you want to receive a vaccine that has been pushed through the testing phase without proper and thorough investigations? They need to have a reasonable level of confidence that they're not going to kill the volunteers for the drug trials before they administer them. This stuff takes time.

Elmer Blooker

ITman88 wrote: »

Yeah we don’t have the number for an enforcement outside the bigger cities.

What’s happening in rural parts of Italy or Spain?

We see the videos online of armed checkpoints in Italy and Spain etc but that surely is only parts of big cities.

There are always armed checkpoints in Italy and Spain because both countries have para-military police forces who are armed to the teeth and make sure their presence is felt. They have always been there and are not a result of the modern scourge of Islamic terrorism.
My first time in Italy was in Rome and I was genuinely shocked at the weaponry that the Carabinieri were carrying. We are lucky with our civilized Gardai in this country.

Back on topic ... I was very surprised at the amount of traffic around today (N Dublin) I wouldn't describe it as heavy but a lot more than during the week when you could hear a pin drop.

BrianD3

It's going to be a big challenge knowing when to lift the restrictions. The authorities will be fearful of making an error and being metaphorically (or literally) hanged from the lampposts if the bodies pile up.

The opposite of what happened with the UK's so called herd immunity plan - you take a risky approach at the start that goes against what the majority are doing, get it wrong and it's lamppost time. If you take the safe approach at the start and then get it wrong when you try to get back to normality, you're crucified at that stage.

I work in an area where I am involved in these types of decisions on a regular basis at a micro level compared to what authorities have to do in this case. If you introduce a measure to protect health but which impinges on people's lives/the economy etc., you need to have a clear exit strategy for how you'll get back to normality. It's important to have this strategy in advance rather than "playing it by ear".

The problem in this case is the solution seems to be unknown or out of our control. People are talking about treatments - most treatments that the pharmaceutical and biotech industry try to introduce fail clinical trials. Maybe there will be good news this time but I wouldn't bank on it.

As for vaccines, if we are waiting for a vaccine to solve this and the lockdown has to continue for 18-24 months or longer, we are f*cked. Even if we have rolling lockdowns based on how full the hospitals are, it may not work. It may also result in us being f*cked due to some people constantly worrying about when the next lockdown will come while others just ignore any lockdowns that are in place.

ITman88

Stheno wrote: »

Could you please learn the difference between tials for treatments and vaccines? There are significant differences

I had mentioned vaccine in my previous post not treatment.

Prevention is better than cure.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

How in teh name of God did this get a yellow card? It's not wishing any harm etc just stating if the food security became a big issue they'd have to be hard decisions made

Yeah, that’s the craziest infraction I’ve seen on boards. It’s nowhere close to the most scaremongering coronavirus post I’ve seen on these forums. And it’s clearly an opinion which is what boards.ie is all about. Imagine if we all to provide citations for our opinions? I’ll probably get infracted for criticising a mod action. But whatever. Bring it.

lainey_d_123

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Jesus. Just got a call from my sister saying “Hey, I’m on the way over to yours with those things you needed!”. I asked her to post me a button battery yesterday if she had one as the one in my kitchen scales is gone and I use it a lot. I also said that I wanted to get baking powder when I had the chance. But these are totally non-essential items and I’m an immunocompromised person in the Irish covid hotspot. They can wait. What the fuck was she thinking? I had to quite bluntly dissuade her. I mean, my friend had to meet her new niece through a window recently and that’s far more important. Also, I’m just not in the mind frame for receiving visitors currently like many of us.

Maybe she was going to leave it on your doorstep to pick up? Maybe she didn't want to put herself at risk by going into the post office, and preferred to just drop it off?

If I'd done someone a favour and this was their attitude, you can bet they'd be waiting a very long time for the next one.

ITman88

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I received a warning accused of scare mongering about the supply of food. It was mentioned on Euro news last night. Here is an Irish reference to the same problem.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/european-states-urged-to-open-borders-to-workers-to-ensure-food-supply-1.4217227

You got a warning over that?????

And some of the waffle about death rates is allowed!!!

Jurgen Klopp

DeVore wrote: »

CAN WE PLEASE STICK TO FACTS SOURCED FROM RELIABLE SOURCES

For example, if you want the mortality rates broken down by Age (and also by underlying condition) you can find info from the ECDC here:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#what-do-we-know-about-the-risk-of-dying-from-covid-19

Actually devore you might be able to answer this as I think you said you do stats

In South Korea it says

50-59 is 0.5%
60-69 is 1.8%

How do you work it for someone bang on 60? Would adding both and dividing by 2 work there be any way right?

Harry Palmr

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

At present we are protecting the minority. That will change within a few months when hunger is a bigger threat.

Mod/s please explain why this statement of the bleedin' obvious got carded.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Cases down today. Yesterday may have been our peak. Let's hope so.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Jesus. Just got a call from my sister saying “Hey, I’m on the way over to yours with those things you needed!”. I asked her to post me a button battery yesterday if she had one as the one in my kitchen scales is gone and I use it a lot. I also said that I wanted to get baking powder when I had the chance. But these are totally non-essential items and I’m an immunocompromised person in the Irish covid hotspot. They can wait. What the fuck was she thinking? I had to quite bluntly dissuade her. I mean, my friend had to meet her new niece through a window recently and that’s far more important. Also, I’m just not in the mind frame for receiving visitors currently like many of us.

Nermal

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

The intermittent lockdowns was one I was thinking of Face, the thing I'd wonder if it wouldn't be death by a thousands cuts kind of scenario. Lots of business that would have survived current lockdown wouldnt be viable if we keep stopping and starting. I doubt many employers would hold on to or bother hiring new staff either if they knew they'd be open for a few weeks and shut again for 2

Interesting point. Recurring shutdowns were envisaged in multiple Imperial papers. Depending on model parameters, shutdowns were in place up to two-thirds of the time. A public-facing business could never operate effectively in such an environment.

Jurgen Klopp

TheCitizen wrote: »

Oh sure, cos your contribution of constant negative snowflaking on here is worth so much more.

Here you go;

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/global-research-on-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/solidarity-clinical-trial-for-covid-19-treatments

The clinical trials which several countries have signed up to since last week are expected to reduce the normal waiting time for treatments by 80%. In other words it will be months not years before we see effective treatments available.

The trial is testing 4 different combos of approved medications used to treat other conditions.

I have been following the hydroxchloroquine and Cubas Alpha which show promise but it's a bit of a stretch to claim it will be months we see effective treatments available.

The unfortunate thing is they could all prove to have little to no effect in treating C19

Fingers crossed tho.

Plumbthedepths

I received a warning accused of scare mongering about the supply of food. It was mentioned on Euro news last night. Here is an Irish reference to the same problem.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/european-states-urged-to-open-borders-to-workers-to-ensure-food-supply-1.4217227

Gael23

Given the situation surely there must be a way to expedite trials?

TheCitizen

ITman88 wrote: »

If you can send me a link that’s a reliable source I’ll give you a virtual €5. It will be worth as much as your contribution.

I know you’re looking forward to getting a lollipop from the doctor when you get your injection, but no one has suggested that is anything less than 18 months away.
You can’t speed up clinical trials of a vaccine to a couple of weeks.

Oh sure, cos your contribution of constant negative snowflaking on here is worth so much more.

Here you go;

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/global-research-on-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/solidarity-clinical-trial-for-covid-19-treatments

The clinical trials which several countries have signed up to since last week are expected to reduce the normal waiting time for treatments by 80%. In other words it will be months not years before we see effective treatments available.

facehugger99

faceman wrote: »

He’s a medical advisor. It’s his job to be conservative and not weigh up impact in other areas of the country.

I've been saying it for weeks - you can't just ask medical and scientific experts what the response should be - they are only looking at part of the problem and Covid-19 is a lot bigger than that.

The Government need to take a larger view and stop pandering to the lockdown-merchants. We need a functioning economy at the end of this.

Stheno

ITman88 wrote: »

If you can send me a link that’s a reliable source I’ll give you a virtual €5. It will be worth as much as your contribution.

I know you’re looking forward to getting a lollipop from the doctor when you get your injection, but no one has suggested that is anything less than 18 months away.
You can’t speed up clinical trials of a vaccine to a couple of weeks.

Could you please learn the difference between tials for treatments and vaccines? There are significant differences

ITman88

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

As for the enforcement of compliance I did a quick number crunch other night and if you gather all Gardai, plus army, navy and Air Corps plus their respective Reserves it comes to circa 26,000 personal for 26 counties. Not sure that would be effective in any real way. It's not even 1,000 per county but then you have to take extra personal for Dublin, Cork and the smaller cities so it seems like outside the cities people would be free to flout all they want

Yeah we don’t have the number for an enforcement outside the bigger cities.

What’s happening in rural parts of Italy or Spain?

We see the videos online of armed checkpoints in Italy and Spain etc but that surely is only parts of big cities.

Jurgen Klopp

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

At present we are protecting the minority. That will change within a few months when hunger is a bigger threat.

How in teh name of God did this get a yellow card? It's not wishing any harm etc just stating if the food security became a big issue they'd have to be hard decisions made

DeVore

CAN WE PLEASE STICK TO FACTS SOURCED FROM RELIABLE SOURCES

For example, if you want the mortality rates broken down by Age (and also by underlying condition) you can find info from the ECDC here:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#what-do-we-know-about-the-risk-of-dying-from-covid-19

Plumbthedepths

TheCitizen wrote: »

Nope, at present we are attempting to flatten the curve so that our health service can cope and we don't have chaos. Some people just never will get what's happening, thankfully those in charge are listening to the experts and adhering to common sense.

Flattening the curve gives the HSE a chance to treat people without being overwhelmed. It does not prevent cure or eradicate the virus.
Again all we are doing is protecting the minority and at the moment that makes sense although for how long?