KiKi III wrote: » The amount of posters suggesting we isolate the old and the sick indefinitely so they don’t have to make any sacrifices is sickening. And unworkable. Utterly unworkable. 1 in 5 people in Ireland is over 65. 1 in 12 has asthma.
Idbatterim wrote: » One issue that has fcuked me over and I’m sure a lot of people ! Shutting builder providers. I literally have no problem with everything else they have done. But they are providing an essential service in many ways in my opinion! You’re half way through a build, or need stuff urgently , what do you do ? Wait a few months? Shutting down builders and trades , is idiocy in my opinion! There is only so much the economy can take on top of them being shut , just being knee jerk in my opinion !
Tea drinker wrote: » Sweden's death er million is 50% worse than ours. No country for old men
Dakota Dan wrote: » No need for Jim my sister is a nurse working in a private hospital you know the hospitals that the media said are being used as public hospitals now? It closed last week and she was let off however they have reopened it since with 2 patients.
odyssey06 wrote: » Source for €24 billion cost to the Exchequer:https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0402/1128100-exchequer-figures/
odyssey06 wrote: » 0% VAT applies to bread milk vegetables fruit meat baby products, your 'essentials':https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/tax/duties_and_vat/value_added_tax.html The tax take for supermarket bought alcohol is significant (something like 40% as an approx rule of thumb) but as the price paid is multiples lower than in pubs, restaurants if we are all drinking at home there'll be a lot less VAT and excise revenue.
[Deleted User] wrote: » God I'm pure exhausted reading this thread , there is a lot of anger on it. I'm out. Whatever happens, THIS is not good for my mental health - step away from the keyboards folks and get some fresh air.
IAMAMORON wrote: » You also realise that you are quoting tweets from Jim Corr? I love Jim btw, but he gets notions about how things are.
average_runner wrote: » Sweden is getting ready for a lockdown. Numbers increasing alot more these days. People are not happy there
KiKi III wrote: » Here's the difference between me and you Lainey: I know I don't have all the answers. That's why I'm placing my faith in the doctors, epidemiologists, government officials and economists who are experts in their fields.
jmayo wrote: » For any one that iams just let the old and compromised stay in lockdown, it is not that simple Yes a lot of old people live alone, but with no real social distancing i.e no shutdown then they dare not go out at all. As for the ones with respiratory difficulties like asthma or CF. A lot of those live with families and are they all supposed to lock down too or just maybe shove the poor compromised ones to the garden shed. And let me tell you this any long term smokers out there, no matter how old and supposed health you are, you better be worried. Should all the smokers stay at home in lockdown as well ? Have either of you thought that shutdown/lockdown or not these people have serious issues that will not fooking magically disappear until the threat of covid19 is eliminated ? They still will be in fear, will still be washing themselves raw, because now people are back out and about, free to transmit it openly once again because restrictions have been lifted. If anything they will probably be worse off. And if and when everything is back open the hospitals will be full of very sick people and you think they can go there for help. Yet these type of mentally ill people are being used as an excuse to open things up. :rolleyes: Maybe next time don't use people with anxiety or OCD cleaners as examples of the ones whose mental health will be helped by having wholesale infections in the community. I really despair at what this country has produced.
KiKi III wrote: » No, you're not. You keep advocating for herd immunity, which as I've said, no health expert is advocating. I've asked you for links to back up your point of view and you're unable to provide them. So the best you can do is pretend that it's the government's secret plan that they're not sharing with the public for no particular reason and that no one but the very clever people like you have figured out?
lainey_d_123 wrote: » So am I. I have never once said that any of these people are dealing with this in the wrong way. What's worrying is that you don't seem to get the concept of withholding information for a reason, or staggering publicising of plans. You are taking everything at face value and not questioning what's NOT there.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » I couldn't care less whether you believe me or not. How would you know who shared this view? As far as I can see, concrete plans for ending lockdown and after it have not been made public yet. Not one thing you have posted points towards what I have said being untrue, and you have been unable to explain how you think it's going to work. You simultaneously think we can open things up by the end of the summer, and that most people aren't going to get this virus. Would you not ask yourself how both these things can possibly be true?
KiKi III wrote: » By the way, two people under the age of 34 have now died in Ireland.
KiKi III wrote: » In almost all my posts, I have provided links to experts who are providing the guidance to government. You have offered no links, no evidence and when asked for it you just say "it's obvious", "it's common sense". And yet no experts share your view. I'm supposed to believe Lainey on Boards over Tony Holohan, am I?
lainey_d_123 wrote: » You don't seem to be able to understand the difference between proposing herd immunity at the very start of an outbreak, when virtually nobody is immune yet, and it being the obvious (if not only) approach later on when a large proportion of people have already been infected and antibody tests are widely available. This is a crucial difference which you appear to keep ignoring.
KiKi III wrote: » If herd immunity is a good solution, why isn't any health expert in Ireland advocating it? Why do you think you know more about this than people who have dedicated their entire lives to studying and working in the fields of infectious diseases. By the way, two people under the age of 34 have now died in Ireland.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » It's condescending to assume that someone has no information or knowledge about a topic just because they don't agree with you, yes. You have yet to show me where I've said something inaccurate, and a poster working in the HSE has confirmed that what I'm saying is right, so yes, it is condescending to respond as if I have no idea what I'm talking about, when I very much do. You seem to conflate 'contained' with 'no further risk'. That's not how it works. Of course things are reopening in those places, because as I've been saying all along, that HAS to happen. You can't keep a place locked down indefinitely. That doesn't mean that the virus won't crop up and spread again, it just means they're confident that they have the resources to be able to deal with it the best they can. All of these places are going to see numbers rise again, and people will keep getting sick and people will keep dying. You seem to think that after X weeks of lockdown, things will open up and the risk will mostly be gone. No. That's not how it works, and it's not the intention. It's most likely what governments want people to think, because saying 'we want you to stay in for X weeks, but you'll probably get the virus after that anyway and you might die from it' isn't quite as appealing as letting people think it will all be grand. All statistics and all methodology point towards an assumption that the majority of people will be infected, asymptomatic or not, at one stage or another.
easypazz wrote: » Even if we get the all clear the risk is imported cases. Herd immunity and early cocooning should assist with the second wave if it comes.
KiKi III wrote: » Have a look at what’s happening in South Korea, Singapore and Wuhan. The virus has been contained and things are reopening. That’s the goal. According to every government minister and health official. So forgive me if I don’t take your word over theirs. And the absolute cheek of you to call me condescending. You can’t seem to post without insulting the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with you.
KiKi III wrote: » Good to know. That would likely end up happening here too if we relax the restrictions too soon.
Stheno wrote: » Singapore shut all schools and non essential offices today fearing a second outbreak
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