ITman88 wrote: » You’re correct apart from Singapore, it never shutdown. The airports were closed but schools and business remained open the last I had seen. It’s a very in interesting approach, one we need to implement here for future outbreaks.
KiKi III wrote: » Have a look at what’s happening in South Korea, Singapore and Wuhan. The virus has been contained and things are reopening. That’s the goal. According to every government minister and health official. So forgive me if I don’t take your word over theirs.
hmmm wrote: » Agreed. No public health professional is saying that a lockdown can be anything other than temporary. The country cannot afford an 18 month lockdown until a vaccine emerges. The only solution is testing, contact tracing and some social distancing. I expect we will be asking the most vulnerable groups to stay indoors - unfortunate, but what can we do? I also expect that immunity testing will start, and those people will be allowed go straight back to work.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » This is the typical answer given by people with limited intelligence, life experience and empathy. It doesn't help that so many people think they're mentally ill when they're stressed/tired/a bit down. If the 'treatment' for your 'illness' is an hour of talking to a therapist once a week, you're not f**king ill. You're a normal person having a bit of a hard time. You want to know what ill looks like? I had a friend on the phone for almost two hours on Thursday. He's suffered from OCD for years following a traumatic incident, and this situation has hugely triggered it, at the same time that he's no longer able to go to his targeted therapy or hospital. He went to the shop to get some food on Thursday morning and spent over two hours washing, disinfecting and sanitising every single one of the packages, over and over again, and then another hour washing his hands until they were cracked and bleeding. His girlfriend can't take any more of the obsessions and compulsions and has moved out, and he's been seriously considering suicide for at least a week because he just can't see any way out. He's spent time in mental health units before but that's not an option at the moment. His entire support system is now completely gone. He hasn't slept in days and his physical health is in tatters as well now. So maybe people who think they're ill because they get a bit anxious now and then should wise the f**k up and realise that some people have genuine, desperate problems that aren't solved by going for a nice walk or reading a book.
Deleted User wrote: » Agree 100%. Someone close to me has suffered from a chronic anxiety condition for the last 10 years, and has prescription sedatives to help cope. Imagine, if you are able, how debilitating the anxiety attacks must be, now that this has been heaped upon her. The only thing that keeps these attacks at bay is movement, whether long (and i mean very long) bouts of exercise, or travel to different environments periodically. Right now, her days are consumed by anxiety and nervous energy and we are trying desperately to avoid her getting addicted to sedatives
KiKi III wrote: » Have a look at what’s happening in South Korea, Singapore and Wuhan. The virus has been contained and things are reopening. That’s the goal. According to every government minister and health official. So forgive me if I don’t take your word over theirs. And the absolute cheek of you to call me condescending. You can’t seem to post without insulting the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with you.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » I find it absolutely mind boggling that anyone could honestly think otherwise. How can someone possibly think that things can go back to normal in the summer AND that a significant number of people won't catch it? Does she think it's just going to stay at a nice, low level and play ball, to reward us for our social distancing efforts? I know this is what the government WANTS us to think, to keep people compliant now, but it's shocking to see that people actually believe it.
odyssey06 wrote: » Source for €24 billion cost to the Exchequer:https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0402/1128100-exchequer-figures/ 0% VAT applies to bread milk vegetables fruit meat baby products, your 'essentials':https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/tax/duties_and_vat/value_added_tax.html The tax take for supermarket bought alcohol is significant (something like 40% as an approx rule of thumb) but as the price paid is multiples lower than in pubs, restaurants if we are all drinking at home there'll be a lot less VAT and excise revenue.
IAMAMORON wrote: » Where did you get the 24 billion figure from? I have not seen it, can you post a link please? Is there VAT on Bog Roll, Wine and Coca Cola? What about roast chicken?
Stheno wrote: » Grand.
KiKi III wrote: » ..... I'd be very surprised to see gigs/ festivals/ sports events happening this side of September.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » The lack of punctuation makes it hard to read, but from what I can make out, it supports my point that most people are expected to get it? Including those who have already had it, obviously. You said nothing at all to support the idea that most people WON'T get this.
Stheno wrote: » Eh did you even read my first point??
lainey_d_123 wrote: » Sure, but none of this things address the fact that most people are expected to get it.
Stheno wrote: » Antibody testing may show a large % of the population were infected but asymptomatic studies show figures of 25-50% of those who tested positive to fall into this category Finding an effective treatment from repurposed drugs would reduce the severity and strain on the health system. There are multiple trials currently underway Both of these would make a significant difference to the impact of this virus on society
lainey_d_123 wrote: » But it will happen. Because there is literally no other way.
KiKi III wrote: » In the past couple of days you've compared your idea for what's workable to smoking, one of the deadliest habits in the world, and people dying in car crashes. Surely when your "solution" is comparable to these things you should know it's not a good one.
Deleted User wrote: » Don't think anyone is proposing that. Things like distancing will still most likely remain to some extent for a year. There will be no herd immunity until a vaccine comes into existence. A large proportion of the population getting it is not preferred...
lainey_d_123 wrote: » Who says they're doing it wrong? Who has proposed a total lockdown until a vaccine is found?
Thelonious Monk wrote: » I'm not in the least bit worried about getting the virus, as it's very unlikely it would do any damage (fingers crossed). Lainey you seem to really know what you're talking about, maybe give Dr Tony or Simon Harris a call and tell them they're doing it all wrong?
lainey_d_123 wrote: » It's becoming apparent how many of the 'we're doing this for the vulnerable and elderly' crowd are actually afraid of getting sick themselves. Which is fine, but like, just fcking admit it. The reality is that most of us will spend months locked down and then will get the virus anyway after restrictions are lifted. The plan isn't to keep us ALL safe. It's to reduce strain on the health services when it's at its worst and nobody is immune yet. Once the initial spike has been dealt with and more people have gotten sick and recovered, then it's going to keep going round and round like any other virus does, for months. People will keep getting it, people will keep dying from it. They just might have more chance when there are ventilators available. I find some people's naïveté to be really quite shocking.
easypazz wrote: » Lots of things can damage your vital organs, there will always be an attrition rate with everything, it just has to be tolerable. Lots of people die from smoking but its not banned.
ThewhiteJesus wrote: » Sorry Kiki but the moron is right here, no matter what happens most of the country will get this, it's about slowing it down so our hospitals and icu's can cope bit by bit. We simply don't have the ventilators available at the moment
PMBC wrote: » Correction - a lot of food items are zero vat rated
IAMAMORON wrote: » Without a vaccine or herd immunity ( no shouting please it is a thing ) , about 80% of people will be infected. Look at the death rates in Italy and Spain. This virus is a killer. If everyone is allowed back out to play again in June we could easily have an epicentre in Ireland by August. The virus will not back down, it keeps coming like a bad bogey man. You can hide under the bed for months, it will still be in the room when you look up. The lockdown is only postponing infections.
PMBC wrote: » Sorry for being pedantic but its 2.1 billion and your point is well made. Take away from that the 200,000 long term unemployed at say E200 per week for 12 weeks gives a payout increase of 1.62 billion. Since that money is for basic living all of it, 90% anyway, will be spent on goods with vat at 23%. i.e vat return to the state of about 300 million. The increase to the state is about 1.3 billion. OS to keep the extra 300,000 unemployed Covid workers with money for living for 12 weeks will cost that small amount. By which time, hopefully some at least will be back to work. Also the money spent will keep other people in work in supermarkets and shops some of whom will pay tax. Its a reasonable cast for the state to pay to help remediate the problem and keep the lid on social unrest. Lets not forget all of these people including myself want to work.
KiKi III wrote: » The goal is that most people never get it, not that everyone gets it. That's abundantly clear from everything the government, the HSE and the WHO are saying.
KiKi III wrote: » Nobody has said it will be the main strategy at any point. You just decided that's what you think should happen, with all your expertise. No health expert is advocating this approach.
The British government is currently in the process of trialling an antibody test, which could indicate whether a person has previously suffered and recovered from the coronavirus. During the daily press conference on the coronavirus on Tuesday 24 March, health secretary Hancock said the test “will allow people to see whether they have had the virus and are immune to it and then can get back to work”. “We expect people not to be able to catch it, except in very exceptional circumstances, for a second time,” he said.
“I suspect it will become what’s called endemic where the virus circulates forever into the future, and in those circumstances in the future herd immunity will have a big impact,” the professor says.
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