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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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section4

I am not travelling to a holiday home, that's my home. We work in Dublin but had been in Donegal for weeks before the restrictions came in, she is a nurse and was due back at work, I had no reason to go back, she didn't want to risk public transport in case,she brought an infection I to her hospital where they are many elderly people.
So because I helped her to provide an essential service and then got caught in the lockdown I should t be allowed to return to my isolated house in Donegal where I was.

She will be going back I to work in a few days, she is in her mid forties I am over 60 and in a vulnerable group and therefore at more risk.
She is a nurse in psych hospital.

There are agency staff there who could bring infection in and she could bring it home to me and I could and up clogging up the system,

I have not been tested but have no symptoms but could still have it and pass it to her and she could very g it into work.

If she is here on her own that will both happen

If I am in donegal on my own that will not happen and I am in A house on its own hundreds of metres from the next house, in fact there probably only 10 houses in a quarter mile radius
So even if I had it I couldn't pass it on there as no one is near me.

Would it be better if my wife just called in sick and we stayed in Donegal.

The regulations are there and I never left the house for the last 5 days up here but I helped to provide an essential service and prevent3d my wife's patients beig infected..so I should be penalised for that y not BRI g allowed back down home.

Nermal

kippy wrote: »

The measures we have had in place the past three weeks are the only reason our numbers aren't skyrocketing.

Nobody is dying = measures are working, we need to keep them in place.

People dying = measures aren't strong enough, we need additional ones.

Genius.

Logan Roy

Have heard from a well informed source that significant % of petrol stations will have to close under stricter measures to be implemented.

Gael23

Logan Roy wrote: »

Have heard from a well informed source that significant % of petrol stations will have to close under stricter measures to be implemented.

That won’t work. Would only result in gatherings at ones that remain open.

[Deleted User]

section4 wrote: »

I am not travelling to a holiday home, that's my home. We work in Dublin but had been in Donegal for weeks before the restrictions came in, she is a nurse and was due back at work, I had no reason to go back, she didn't want to risk public transport in case,she brought an infection I to her hospital where they are many elderly people.
So because I helped her to provide an essential service and then got caught in the lockdown I should t be allowed to return to my isolated house in Donegal where I was.

She will be going back I to work in a few days, she is in her mid forties I am over 60 and in a vulnerable group and therefore at more risk.
She is a nurse in psych hospital.

There are agency staff there who could bring infection in and she could bring it home to me and I could and up clogging up the system,

I have not been tested but have no symptoms but could still have it and pass it to her and she could very g it into work.

If she is here on her own that will both happen

If I am in donegal on my own that will not happen and I am in A house on its own hundreds of metres from the next house, in fact there probably only 10 houses in a quarter mile radius
So even if I had it I couldn't pass it on there as no one is near me.

Would it be better if my wife just called in sick and we stayed in Donegal.

The regulations are there and I never left the house for the last 5 days up here but I helped to provide an essential service and prevent3d my wife's patients beig infected..so I should be penalised for that y not BRI g allowed back down home.

Donegal is your primary home. You traveled to facilitate an essential worker, which is the very definition of essential travel. Go home. No guard is going to have anything to say to someone who is going home after an essential journey.

Pragmatism has to prevail, even in a lockdown. You are doing the right thing in heading back IMO

Logan Roy

Gael23 wrote: »

That won’t work. Would only result in gatherings at ones that remain open.

Why would there be gatherings? Most people / businesses shouldn't have a reason to be filling up their vehicles regularly at this stage. Fuel sales have fallen off a cliff.

[Deleted User]

The Nutty M wrote: »

Hopefully they do stop you. A lockdown is a lockdown.

I'm not trying to be a dick but this is exactly what the rules were brought in for,to stop the transmission from one pat of the area to the other. I'm in Donegal and there is and was quite rightly uproar over people traveling to their holiday homes and caravans from various parts of the country.

a bit harsh, you're very quick to jump to conclusions that this was a case of a holiday home? As soon as I read posters message I assumed he was a Donegal native trying to get back home.

timmy_mallet

kippy wrote: »

Nonsense.
What happens when we have no or very few of the rules in place?
There are major risks to the economy if almost everyone gets it. The recovery time is up to 3 week assuming no complications in a large amount of cases.
You think businesses could survive with large swaths of their employees and customers out sick.

What happens to the hospital's if it gets out of control. More admissions. What happens if other people need the hospital's. Kids, yourself? Do you think they could deal with it all.
The economy will recover. It always does.

You show a very poor understanding of numbers and statistics and indeed empathy which is more worrying

"Large swathes" - hyperbolic. 80% of known cases have mild symptoms and are fine after a week. Many as asymptomatic. Many wont get it. Many will be immune if they get it.

I'd counter that your understanding of statistics and those advocating further lockdown ate worrying.

Diarmuid

Logan Roy wrote: »

Have heard from a well informed source that significant % of petrol stations will have to close under stricter measures to be implemented.

The amount of well informed sources that have appeared since the arrival of the coronavirus Is amazing. At this stage is your are listening to unnamed sources you're too gullible for your own good

is_that_so

The Nutty M wrote: »

And to get on to the topic of the thread. From chatting to the father who's in Irish Rail, he is seeing a high disregard of the rules. In the past 2 weeks he has taken in no cash although there are lots of social welfare tickets traveling on day trips between towns and going on longer journeys.

The sooner the regulations come into force the better to stop these journeys going on. If the rumours of €2500 fines are true I think it's a disservice. A lower monetary fine that is in the realms of being paid but is immediately painful enough to wake people up to their actions might be more effective. As I assume the 2500 fine would be a long drawn out process.

The CMO line on this, much-repeated, is most of the people doing most of the things most of the time. 100% compliance is utterly unrealistic and was never the aim. Compliance also involves people being supportive and accepting of measures. If we do get to this point of fining people, the end of compliance will not be far behind.

ITman88

pjohnson wrote: »

You mean qualified teachers will STILL be qualified teachers!?

The hysteria has been bizarre from the start. The vast majority easily walk straight back into their jobs after this.

Wow sure what’s the concern about.
This is what everyone who has been laid off needs to remember.
You walk up to your job and they will say come in and get back to work it’s great to have you.

What a patronising load of waffle

marno21

Given the impressive way Ireland has dealt with this to date, I don't really see the point of further authoritarian measures right now. What will closing petrol stations achieve?

I would be cautious here and say that many of the deaths to date, and possibly a good few of the ICU patients are the result of the nursing and care home clusters. Further lockdown measures won't end that. Most community transmission has ended and it's household and possibly workplace transmission now. These infections will continue even if there's tanks on the street.

ITman88

The Nutty M wrote: »

It's 4200 if it goes on the 12 weeks,not 1800.

To see the figures for the unemployed released was alarming. But then you delve into the figures, just over 200k long term unemployed being counted in the overall figure. It's a great headline to say the unemployment figure is XXX but in truth,when this is over there is a job waiting for at least 90% of the 290k people out of work due to Corona. The other 30k will find work because they want to work,they won't become long term unemployed.

You post is akin to suggesting that whoever dies from covid would die anyway

faceman

Logan Roy wrote: »

Have heard from a well informed source that significant % of petrol stations will have to close under stricter measures to be implemented.

I heard from a well informed source that you are talking out of your hole

faceman

facehugger99 wrote: »

The median age of deaths in Ireland is 82.

It's preposterous that we're flirting with wrecking the economy for generations over this.

It's a virus that is serious for a very specific demographic that are easy to identify and protect - the very old and the very sick.

For everyone else the risk is negligible.

What should we do then? Round up old people in paddy wagons and ship them off to a remote island? Or how about a slaughterhouse?

Oh wait, a number of babies of have died around the world too. Should we include them in your plan? What about asthma sufferers. Sure throw them in the mix too.

Have you looked at the havoc that the virus has raged in Italy and Spain’s hospitals? The burden on the healthcare systems? The unprecedented number of deaths?

So tell us, what’s an acceptable number of deaths? 100, 1000 10000? Or does it matter if the people fall in a certain demographic like you said anyway?

I truly feel sorry for you.

easypazz

faceman wrote: »

What should we do then? Round up old people in paddy wagons and ship them off to a remote island? Or how about a slaughterhouse?

Oh wait, a number of babies of have died around the world too. Should we include them in your plan? What about asthma sufferers. Sure throw them in the mix too.

Have you looked at the havoc that the virus has raged in Italy and Spain’s hospitals? The burden on the healthcare systems? The unprecedented number of deaths?

So tell us, what’s an acceptable number of deaths? 100, 1000 10000? Or does it matter if the people fall in a certain demographic like you said anyway?

I truly feel sorry for you.

Its called cocooning. Effective when done properly, but I know over 70's still going to the shop, I know kids being sent to granny for babysitting.

This is why there are all those deaths you refer to around the world.

Why are you suggesting we slaughter babies?

Gael23

is_that_so wrote: »

The CMO line on this, much-repeated, is most of the people doing most of the things most of the time. 100% compliance is utterly unrealistic and was never the aim. Compliance also involves people being supportive and accepting of measures. If we do get to this point of fining people, the end of compliance will not be far behind.

Compliance is also conditional on the measures not so harsh for a long period. The longer it goes in compliance will fall

ITman88

faceman wrote: »

What should we do then? Round up old people in paddy wagons and ship them off to a remote island? Or how about a slaughterhouse?

Oh wait, a number of babies of have died around the world too. Should we include them in your plan? What about asthma sufferers. Sure throw them in the mix too.

Have you looked at the havoc that the virus has raged in Italy and Spain’s hospitals? The burden on the healthcare systems? The unprecedented number of deaths?

So tell us, what’s an acceptable number of deaths? 100, 1000 10000? Or does it matter if the people fall in a certain demographic like you said anyway?

I truly feel sorry for you.

The amount of posters that use death of babies to bolster their argument is sickening.

The loss of a baby is always tragic, and all the babies that die of pneumonia every year is also tragic.

BanditLuke

Logan Roy wrote: »

Have heard from a well informed source that significant % of petrol stations will have to close under stricter measures to be implemented.

WhatsApp eh.

tuxy

BanditLuke wrote: »

WhatsApp eh.

Must have been, shutdown the petrol stations and you might as well shut down many of the essential services and tell people they can't buy food anymore.

Quin_Dub

Logan Roy wrote: »

Have heard from a well informed source that significant % of petrol stations will have to close under stricter measures to be implemented.

There will not be a government instruction for Petrol stations to close.

Will some stations decide to close/reduce opening hours off their own bat ? Almost certainly , with no one driving very much revenue will have fallen off a cliff.

But there will not be a Government instruction for some them to close. The sheer logistics for trying to work out which ones would close and which ones shouldn't, make it impossible even if someone thought it was a good idea.

Gael23

marno21 wrote: »

Given the impressive way Ireland has dealt with this to date, I don't really see the point of further authoritarian measures right now. What will closing petrol stations achieve?

I would be cautious here and say that many of the deaths to date, and possibly a good few of the ICU patients are the result of the nursing and care home clusters. Further lockdown measures won't end that. Most community transmission has ended and it's household and possibly workplace transmission now. These infections will continue even if there's tanks on the street.

Someone talking sense finally

KiKi III

ITman88 wrote: »

The amount of posters that use death of babies to bolster their argument is sickening.

The loss of a baby is always tragic, and all the babies that die of pneumonia every year is also tragic.

The amount of posters suggesting we isolate the old and the sick indefinitely so they don’t have to make any sacrifices is sickening.

And unworkable. Utterly unworkable.

1 in 5 people in Ireland is over 65. 1 in 12 has asthma.

Naggdefy

faceman wrote: »

I heard from a well informed source that you are talking out of your hole

Ah maybe lay off him. A lot of us know people in authority in various organisations. Perhaps the poster does know someone on the HSE advisory ctte.

You can't be specific on an internet forum without disclosing identity.

ZX7R

Blueshoe wrote: »

Fines and imprisonment required.
.the country is at a standstill and healthcare services pushed to their limit.
Idiots can't even sit in their arse indoors.

People might not realize that a huge amount of people received there fist emergency payment yesterday.
For some people that was the first money they have received in two weeks and first chance they had to buy goods.
One of my neighbors nice chap was waiting for this payment to come through.
I lent him some money to tie him over.
Not everyone has huge amounts of savings to tie themselves over till they get the payment.

Logan Roy

BanditLuke wrote: »

WhatsApp eh.

Somebody who owns a petrol station, so no not WhatsApp....

easypazz

KiKi III wrote: »

The amount of posters suggesting we isolate the old and the sick indefinitely so they don’t have to make any sacrifices is sickening.

And unworkable. Utterly unworkable.

1 in 5 people in Ireland is over 65. 1 in 12 has asthma.

What is your exit strategy?

easypazz

Logan Roy wrote: »

Somebody who owns a petrol station, so no not WhatsApp....

My source owns a petrol and he told me that on monday, wed, fri and sun, people can only use their left hand to fill the tank.

On the other days use your right hand.

That reduces spread by 50%

[Deleted User]

ShyMets

KiKi III wrote: »

The amount of posters suggesting we isolate the old and the sick indefinitely so they don’t have to make any sacrifices is sickening.

And unworkable. Utterly unworkable.

1 in 5 people in Ireland is over 65. 1 in 12 has asthma.

I'm 40 and a mild asthmatic and because of this in a higher risk category. I fully agree with the restrictions which have been implemented and support them being extended next Friday for at least two more weeks.

However, once we get in to May and if the numbers are stable then the Government will have some hard choices to make. Personally I think we will at that point see a very gradual easing of restrictions with a review happening on a weekly/two weekly basis. If numbers are remaining stable the restrictions are eased slightly again. If numbers go up the restrictions are tightened.

It does annoy me that anyone who advocates a gradual easing of these measures and only if the numbers are favorable, is somehow labeled cruel or callous.

I'm more at risk then others but locking down the country for months on end is not viable