Relaxation of restrictions

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Hmm, I would intelligently discredit it as an unreviewed, unpublished paper submitted to a journal on Nanotechnology that has an impact factor of zero.

I'll give it a read however.

It’s not been peer reviewed due to the short time frame, that was taken from a publication last week

KiKi III wrote: »

This just isn’t true.

Without these restrictions we would be like other countries reporting hundreds of deaths every day due to Covid 19. We had 352 suicide last year.

We won’t be like other countries, we have many cultural differences between the worst hit nations that you want to ignore and quote death stats

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You're some bloody drama queen honest to god.

Or maybe I've seen and know what happens when economies collapse. Ever been to Venezuela? You'll probably tell me 'that wouldn't happen here', just like people thought the virus wouldn't happen here or lockdowns wouldn't happen here.

Some serious selective thinking going on with you.

Thankfully I *do* know a lot about what is being planned, and it doesn't include years of being locked down. Thank God some people on here aren't the ones making these decisions.

Raconteuse

ITman88 wrote: »

No one is suggesting that.

It has however been happening for years now, so while you were being passive aggressive you need to check out what’s being going on in Italy for a number of years

How about the absolutely moronic post saying "you're afraid of a virus, harden up". My response is all that deserves.

Frankly people are suggesting what I said. Because none of the people whining about the restrictions right now (I don't mean long-term) can ever come up with a whiff of an alternative. So no, or much fewer restrictions, meaning far more people will get very ill, overwhelm the already stretched health service, and die. But... oh well? Because there ain't an alternative.

ITman88 wrote: »

Bedblockers?

Would you consider covid patients bedblockers?

Nope, I would consider people who show up in A&E for spurious reasons bedblockers.

ITman88 wrote: »

Very noble comment.

However foreign holidays are the least of our worries.
More lives will be lost due to the economy

This just isn’t true.

Without these restrictions we would be like other countries reporting hundreds of deaths every day due to Covid 19. We had 352 suicide last year.

ITman88 wrote: »

http://jvalue.co.uk/papers/J-value-assessment-of-combating-Covid-19-Thomas-23.3.2020.pdf

It’s a long read, another poster has intelligently discredited the authors due to the fact they are English

Hmm, I would intelligently discredit it as an unreviewed, unpublished paper submitted to a journal on Nanotechnology that has an impact factor of zero.

I'll give it a read however.

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Anyone showing up to A&E is treated like they have Corona, so no one is attending. Plus they've booted out all the bedblockers and since everything is closed there's a lot less alcohol related incidents.

Bedblockers?

Would you consider covid patients bedblockers?

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lainey_d_123 wrote: »

How long do you think things can go on like this before there is serious social unrest and economic consequences? I don't think it's as long as you seem to think.

Theres serious econmic consequences day 1 of these restrictions

Theres reasonable evidence to suggest such restrictions can become normalised,if anything long term (not that i want that)......ww2 dragged on for 5 years,people grew up in parts of ireland to view daily army foot patrols as normal for bones of 30 years

Its tough going if stuck in all day,but go.for your exercise etc(seriously ive gotten snapchats off people in london,going to parks etc),

what exactly are you wanting to tear up.these restrictions to do??

Thelonious Monk

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

This level of delusion is as bad as the people who initially thought this was just a flu.

We're not talking about foreign holidays. We're talking about full on rioting, looting and violence. You think Irish people are too placid to do that? Wait until people are actually starving and desperate. The government's coffers aren't a bottomless pit and supplies don't just fall from the sky.

If this lockdown does go on for months or even longer, the virus will be the least of your worries. Why do you not get that?

You're some bloody drama queen honest to god.

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Still waiting on sources for that claim

http://jvalue.co.uk/papers/J-value-assessment-of-combating-Covid-19-Thomas-23.3.2020.pdf

It’s a long read, another poster has intelligently discredited the authors due to the fact they are English

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

There are economic consequences already. We're all gonna be f*cking broke for ages. There's no more foreign holidays. But what can you do. We'll hopefully still have food and shelter, and have it better than most people have ever had in the past up until recently.
Social unrest - maybe where you are but people in Ireland generally don't riot etc. So I'm not worried about that.

This level of delusion is as bad as the people who initially thought this was just a flu.

We're not talking about foreign holidays. We're talking about full on rioting, looting and violence. You think Irish people are too placid to do that? Wait until people are actually starving and desperate. The government's coffers aren't a bottomless pit and supplies don't just fall from the sky.

If this lockdown does go on for months or even longer, the virus will be the least of your worries. Why do you not get that?

ITman88 wrote: »

Very noble comment.

However foreign holidays are the least of our worries.
More lives will be lost due to the economy

Still waiting on sources for that claim

ITman88 wrote: »

Exactly.
Posters suggesting lockdown to go on indefinitely can’t happen.
Incidentally Dr Holohan said St. James was empty Tuesday night.

Anyone showing up to A&E is treated like they have Corona, so no one is attending. Plus they've booted out all the bedblockers and since everything is closed there's a lot less alcohol related incidents.

ITman88 wrote: »

Exactly.
Posters suggesting lockdown to go on indefinitely can’t happen.
Incidentally Dr Holohan said St. James was empty Tuesday night.

Which posters are saying it can/ should go on indefinitely? I haven’t seen anyone say that.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

There are economic consequences already. We're all gonna be f*cking broke for ages. There's no more foreign holidays. But what can you do. We'll hopefully still have food and shelter, and have it better than most people have ever had in the past up until recently.

Very noble comment.

However foreign holidays are the least of our worries.
More lives will be lost due to the economy

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Sake, our hospitals are soon to be packed to the brim with Coronavirus patients, soon to have large numbers of deaths and illnesses and your gripe is that the 5 a side is cancelled, parents have to spend more time with their kids and people's therapy sessions arent going ahead (not even online?)
Also NO ONE, not a single person in the country, not even solitary confinement prisoners, is forced to be indoors alone 24/7.I can understand that people may have illnesses or disabilities where they can't go outside, but the needs of the vast vast majority need to out weigh the needs of the few here.

This lock down isn't bad. I totally understand it's outside the norm, stressful and we'll all be happier when it's over, but I'm going for a walk now on a lovely afternoon, my neighbours kids are playing out their back garden, I'm working and chatting to friends and family online daily.

If the alternative means my parents and gradparents might die, then I'll easily endure this.

And here we go, another person minimising the issue and talking rubbish.

I didn't say a thing about 5-a-side being cancelled. I said that mental illness is not a joke, and there will be huge numbers of people suffering from being either alone or trapped with others, including domestic violence, self harm and suicides, which are also going take up resources. There will be lots of deaths which could have been prevented if people had had access to healthcare.

I'm in support of the lockdown, BTW. I think it's definitely worth a try for everyone to do what they can to prevent spread and deaths. But what happens after this initial stage? It's not going to just disappear. Then what?

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ITman88 wrote: »

So we do follow what the UK officials have implemented then?

The UK's lockdown is pretty non existent, people are still going to work. The underground has been full... So their measures are not exactly limiting the spread. In addition, you only end up tested if you end up in hospital. So they don't even know where the hotspots are. So no country should model their policy on the UK's implementation.

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

But we're not talking 2-4 weeks, are we? There are people on here suggesting it could be months, and we'd have to suck it up. That's what the issue is.

I'm sure most people could manage if they knew for sure that this situation would be over in a month. Far easier to cope with being stuck at home and all that comes with it if it's for a defined period of time. It's the uncertainty that people are struggling with. I've been having some horrendous symptoms with my chronic illness and it's enormously stressful trying to decide whether I can justify taking up NHS resources by trying to see a doctor, or whether I can just wait it out. Far easier to do that if you know it's just a few weeks compared to it potentially being 6 months.

Exactly.
Posters suggesting lockdown to go on indefinitely can’t happen.
Incidentally Dr Holohan said St. James was empty Tuesday night.

Thelonious Monk

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

How long do you think things can go on like this before there is serious social unrest and economic consequences? I don't think it's as long as you seem to think.

There are economic consequences already. We're all gonna be f*cking broke for ages. There's no more foreign holidays. But what can you do. We'll hopefully still have food and shelter, and have it better than most people have ever had in the past up until recently.
Social unrest - maybe where you are but people in Ireland generally don't riot etc. So I'm not worried about that.

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

But we're not talking 2-4 weeks, are we? There are people on here suggesting it could be months, and we'd have to suck it up. That's what the issue is.

I'm sure most people could manage if they knew for sure that this situation would be over in a month. Far easier to cope with being stuck at home and all that comes with it if it's for a defined period of time. It's the uncertainty that people are struggling with. I've been having some horrendous symptoms with my chronic illness and it's enormously stressful trying to decide whether I can justify taking up NHS resources by trying to see a doctor, or whether I can just wait it out. Far easier to do that if you know it's just a few weeks compared to it potentially being 6 months.

Maybe listen to what government ministers and health officials are talking about in terms of guidelines instead of getting yourself in a tizzy because of what some anonymous boards posters are saying.

Likewise, the best way to decide if you need to go to the doctor with your symptoms is to phone up and speak to them.

HBC08 wrote: »

No,
What I said wasnt hard to read.

So we do follow what the UK officials have implemented then?

Jurgen Klopp

I'd say current lockdown will be extended for 2 more weeks, giving 4 in total.

Then back to restrictions.

The only way we'll know for sure how long that can last is when Leo addresses the nation to say we can no longer pay dole, pensions, invalidity and disability benefit and expect medicines to be rationed in hospitals as we cannot borrow anymore

I say this as someone that would be labeled "vulrenable" there will be crunch point when they can't keep up the payments lads, that unemployed list gets bigger the longer it goes on

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It simply might have to Lainey, it's not up to you

How long do you think things can go on like this before there is serious social unrest and economic consequences? I don't think it's as long as you seem to think.

KiKi III wrote: »

My empathy is primarily with those suffering from Covid 19, their families, those mourning lost loved ones and the frontline medical staff dealing with it.

Is it crap to miss a therapy session if you’ve got depression? Yes. Is it crap to feel lonely or bored at home on your own for a few weeks? Yes. Do we need to suck it up for a few weeks? Yes.

I’m doing my therapy sessions over Skype and it’s going fine. Pieta House are still providing remote support. People need to get creative and come up with solutions instead of problems.

We’re still able to get outside every day, speak to our loved ones, find all sorts of entertainment, stay safe and healthy and all we have to do is stay at home. It’s a small sacrifice.

13 new deaths and 400 new cases today.

I’m bored and frustrated at home. I miss my family. My housemate and I are starting to get on each other’s nerves. But I’m more than happy to continue with this for the next 2-4 weeks to save hundreds, or maybe thousands of lives.

But we're not talking 2-4 weeks, are we? There are people on here suggesting it could be months, and we'd have to suck it up. That's what the issue is.

I'm sure most people could manage if they knew for sure that this situation would be over in a month. Far easier to cope with being stuck at home and all that comes with it if it's for a defined period of time. It's the uncertainty that people are struggling with. I've been having some horrendous symptoms with my chronic illness and it's enormously stressful trying to decide whether I can justify taking up NHS resources by trying to see a doctor, or whether I can just wait it out. Far easier to do that if you know it's just a few weeks compared to it potentially being 6 months.

Blueshoe wrote: »

Today's figures should put an end to the nonsense talk

Can you elaborate?

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

There's no way people can cope with it being that long. Honestly just no way. The only reason there should ever be an 'explosion of cases' once people have been locked down for several weeks is if mass travel starts up again. I can understand that being pushed back as far as possible. But this extreme social distancing and isolation cannot last for months more.

Such an incredible lack of empathy, it's unbelievable.

You do realise a lot of people have mental and physical health needs which are going completely or almost completely unmet during this crisis? As everything else is shelved in favour of coronavirus stuff, people are going without therapy sessions, medication and having operations pushed back, and on top of all this, are unable to do anything which might help, such as meet friends, play group sports or any of the other things which are normally suggested when you're having a hard time? How do you think it feels for someone with chronic depression or illness to be stuck inside 24/7, alone?

That's only one aspect. There's also the pressure it puts on relationships, probably an increase in domestic violence, people cracking under pressure trying to homeschool kids, do housework AND work from home, in addition to the worries and stress many people are facing about money, security and work at the moment.

You might be fine, but that doesn't mean everyone else is. Pretty hard to focus on reading or doing online courses when you're in a terrible mental state and have no idea when it will end.

Sake, our hospitals are soon to be packed to the brim with Coronavirus patients, soon to have large numbers of deaths and illnesses and your gripe is that the 5 a side is cancelled, parents have to spend more time with their kids and people's therapy sessions arent going ahead (not even online?)
Also NO ONE, not a single person in the country, not even solitary confinement prisoners, is forced to be indoors alone 24/7.I can understand that people may have illnesses or disabilities where they can't go outside, but the needs of the vast vast majority need to out weigh the needs of the few here.

This lock down isn't bad. I totally understand it's outside the norm, stressful and we'll all be happier when it's over, but I'm going for a walk now on a lovely afternoon, my neighbours kids are playing out their back garden, I'm working and chatting to friends and family online daily.

If the alternative means my parents and gradparents might die, then I'll easily endure this.

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

They basically are. A lockdown so strict that people are being shamed for exercising outside (even when officially allowed) and only expected to go out for essential food is basically being imprisoned in your home. What else would you call it? I'm certainly not free to do whatever I want and would certainly be stopped if i tried to do something as inoffensive as read a book in the park in the sun. This is a total stripping of civil liberties - whether it's for the greater good is irrelevant. Stop lying to yourself about what it is.

I’m not lying to myself, I’m just not quite as dramatic as you.

Thelonious Monk

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

It simply can't go on for as long as some people here are saying

It simply might have to Lainey, it's not up to you