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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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easypazz

oceanman wrote: »

that's one hell of a crystal ball you have there....

I've asked you already, how long do you think restrictions will last

oceanman

Pheonix10 wrote: »

No it won't last longer than people think. Someone said Christmas yesterday :rolleyes:

It will last 4 weeks maximum & then back to the old restrictions.

that's one hell of a crystal ball you have there....

TheCitizen

tdf7187 wrote: »

The restrictions are already causing disproportionate hardship and should be relaxed if not entirely removed. Sweden has none and is doing fine. But hey it's great for the coppers and their overtime so celebrate.

Are you getting anxty

Icepick

easypazz wrote: »

While you may have all those nice things, there are plenty who don't.

Like old people trapped in their home alone.

Sure, but people here are complaining about their comfortable circumstances.

facehugger99

BanditLuke wrote: »

Absolutely and that's the worry. A lot of people still with their head buried deep in the sand thinking restrictions wil be lifted by May/June :rolleyes:

People need to mentally prepare themselves for the long haul.

Ironically, it's the lads who think the current restrictions are sustainable for months, that have their heads buried somewhere.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

AdamD wrote: »

A week for some perhaps. The old restrictions and the new haven't really been much different for me (and I don't mean that as a positive). Working from home all day, then out for a walk and go to the supermarket. I'm nearing the end of week 4 of that and its not enjoyable.

Exactly this. Been told to WFH for the last 4 weeks.

[Deleted User]

DeVore wrote: »

But we havent reached that level here. This isnt a "lock down", you can walk within 2km of your house for exercise. You can shop for necessaries.

Its hardly goons with guns patrolling the streets demanding papiern!

It cant last forever and it wont last forever but Christ, its been what, a week?

A week for some perhaps. The old restrictions and the new haven't really been much different for me (and I don't mean that as a positive). Working from home all day, then out for a walk and go to the supermarket. I'm nearing the end of week 4 of that and its not enjoyable.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

oceanman wrote: »

very true..i don't see why some people are complaining after only a week for god sake. most of us are lucky enough to have a roof over our heads, food in the fridge, a tv to watch, mobile phone ect. what more do you need? I know its hard to not be able to socialise with friends and relatives but its not the end of the world. get used to it...it will last a lot longer than some people think.

No it won't last longer than people think. Someone said Christmas yesterday :rolleyes:

It will last 4 weeks maximum & then back to the old restrictions.

oceanman

Diarmuid wrote: »

Because a lot of people have the ability to look forward and see where this is going, if we maintain our current approach.

and where exactly is it going? we are all doing this to try and contain the virus from spreading and hopefully get ahead of it.

irishgeo

easypazz wrote: »

How long do you expect current restrictions to last?

No more than 4 weeks.

Then back to ones we had before.

easypazz

oceanman wrote: »

very true..i don't see why some people are complaining after only a week for god sake. most of us are lucky enough to have a roof over our heads, food in the fridge, a tv to watch, mobile phone ect. what more do you need? I know its hard to not be able to socialise with friends and relatives but its not the end of the world. get used to it...it will last a lot longer than some people think.

How long do you expect current restrictions to last?

Diarmuid

oceanman wrote: »

very true..i don't see why some people are complaining after only a week for god sake

Because a lot of people have the ability to look forward and see where this is going, if we maintain our current approach.

oceanman

Blueshoe wrote: »

Restrictions must stay in place until new cases drop almost fully away. China did it and that's the rough model being followed by most countries.
I personally know someone in Paris who hasn't been outside in 3 weeks.
It's been a week or so here. I feel there is a long way to go yet.

People need to pull themselves together and deal with it. There are millions and millions around the world in the same position.

very true..i don't see why some people are complaining after only a week for god sake. most of us are lucky enough to have a roof over our heads, food in the fridge, a tv to watch, mobile phone ect. what more do you need? I know its hard to not be able to socialise with friends and relatives but its not the end of the world. get used to it...it will last a lot longer than some people think.

Diarmuid

Why aren't we copying South Korea instead of discussing how long more we can lock the country down.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/south-korea-covid-19-containment-testing/

Unlike Italy, China, the UK and parts of the US, there was no lockdown in South Korea. It did, however, close its schools. There have been postponed attempts at reopening them, but reopen they must, according to Foreign Minister Kang.

“We aim to open our schools on 6 April – the right to an education is a crucial part of our social values. We’ve postponed school openings twice, now we’re saying we can’t deprive our children of their right to learn. That means we have to do everything in the next two weeks to maintain the spread at a manageable level.”

DeVore

But we havent reached that level here. This isnt a "lock down", you can walk within 2km of your house for exercise. You can shop for necessaries.

Its hardly goons with guns patrolling the streets demanding papiern!

It cant last forever and it wont last forever but Christ, its been what, a week?

[Deleted User]

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Oh that's good. I had read in the news that you weren't allowed only to walk the dog. Don't read the news I suppose. I hope they are coping ok.

i think those more serious restrictions are in Italy not Spain.
I heard of a guy in Sicily who was so desperate for exercise that he walked his chicken on a lead!!:D
Needless to say him and his chicken were frogmarched back home !

GreeBo

jayp2020 wrote: »

For people who live alone and/or are cocooning they're not seeing another person from one end of the week to the next. That's kind of a big deal really. If that's extended for months it's basically a big social experiment that could have dire results for people's mental health.

Not practicing social distancing could also have dire results for people health...it could have dire results for even more people than the person impacted by social isolation.

So do you worry about 1 persons potential mental health impact, or the multiple people that this 1 person could infect ?

[Deleted User]

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No, they shouldn't. Your not qualified to drive. Simple as.

If there's a boom of transport at the end of this and not enough pilots, would we let unlicensed trainees fly?

You've just equated untrained pilots flying hundreds of people through the sky with a learner driver using a car unaccompanied. Well done, just take a minute to think about that one.

Blueshoe

Restrictions must stay in place until new cases drop almost fully away. China did it and that's the rough model being followed by most countries.
I personally know someone in Paris who hasn't been outside in 3 weeks.
It's been a week or so here. I feel there is a long way to go yet.

People need to pull themselves together and deal with it. There are millions and millions around the world in the same position.

marno21

The effectiveness of the restrictions is already under pressure in Italy. They are roughly 4 weeks in. It does take its toll on people

The idea that we’re going to have this level of restriction for 12 months is laughable. These restrictions should last a few weeks and be lifted slowly.

The whole country can’t go on unemployment for 12 months. The economy would collapse and the country would go broke. If that happened the death rate and absolute havoc caused would far outweigh the coronavirus effects on its own

This is about balance and a balance has to be struck. Extremism in either direction will not work.

niallo27

BanditLuke wrote: »

Absolutely and that's the worry. A lot of people still with their head buried deep in the sand thinking restrictions wil be lifted by May/June :rolleyes:

People need to mentally prepare themselves for the long haul.

People dont have their heads buried in the sand believe me, people that want restrictions lifted want it for social and economic reasons not because they think this virus will have disappeared. You could say that people who think we can isolate like this for months have their heads stuck in the sand and are completely out of touch with reality.

suicide_circus

i think sedatives would make this a lot easier

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

It's more about number of new and active cases than deaths. Also key is HSE capacity: how many sick people require ICU care and hour many ICU beds and staff are there available.

Get that under control and you'll see restrictions eased, but with an appeal to common sense: don't go crazy and all head to the same shops at the same time.

Jim Gazebo

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

That's not true for Spain. You are allowed walk within ten minutes of your home for essential reasons.

My wife and kids are currently in lockdown there, trust me when I say I know the situation there.

Oh that's good. I had read in the news that you weren't allowed only to walk the dog. Don't read the news I suppose. I hope they are coping ok.

easypazz

BanditLuke wrote: »

Absolutely and that's the worry. A lot of people still with their head buried deep in the sand thinking restrictions wil be lifted by May/June :rolleyes:

People need to mentally prepare themselves for the long haul.

Not a hope. Another few weeks and people will have had enough.

We will all do our bit for a few weeks, if it works it works, but if not something has to give.

It will come down to the body count, big numbers will scare people, small numbers and people will be asking questions.

ZX7R

The covid-19 sub committee chaired by our fine leo.
Are meeting today to discuss the current restrictions.
I'm sure we will find out what will be happening later

BanditLuke

Speakerboxx wrote: »

I think we have turned the corner and normality starts in 2 weeks. We be fine. In anothet month we wont be even talking about covid 19.

Ladies and gentlemen the president of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko.

BanditLuke

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'd go with the end of July for the beginning of relaxing measures across Europe and in Ireland and the middle of 2021 to see a return to normality.

No government is going to relax the measures so long as the threat of a renewed explosion in cases is there.

Because we will just be shut down again within a week.

A lot of unrealistic expectations around.

Absolutely and that's the worry. A lot of people still with their head buried deep in the sand thinking restrictions wil be lifted by May/June :rolleyes:

People need to mentally prepare themselves for the long haul.

facehugger99

The restrictions will be extended for a further 2 weeks on Easter Sunday. After that they will start to be relaxed.

The penny will start to drop that continuing in a state of shutdown is ultimately more damaging and just prolonging the inevitable.

The death toll will be between 1-2%, primarily concentrated among the very, very old and very, very sick. It will be near negligible among other demographics,

Even so, the damage to the economy will take may years to recover.

brick tamland

These restrictions are not about getting the cases down to 0 or getting rid of the disease. Thats not happening. This is probably here to stay for a while yet.

Cases just need to be brought down to a level the health service can handle and thrm with then mitigating factors introduced to keep them low, then restrictions will be eased.

So when number come fown a little and we have in place....

*Full testing procedures ( we're not where government want to be yet )
*Extensive contact tracing team in place
*HSE in a better place to handle numbers
* Reckon there well be a tracing smartphone app like in Asia

Older and vulnerable may still have to cocoon

Whens that going to happen is hard to tell, my guess 2 more weeks after easter. They may have to be brought back in if number raise for a period and then back down again. These restrictions will not be long term as the longer they go on the less they are abided by and become a bit pointless.