Relaxation of restrictions

GT89 wrote: »

Should relax the restrictions on unaccompanied drivers temporarily

No, they shouldn't. Your not qualified to drive. Simple as.

If there's a boom of transport at the end of this and not enough pilots, would we let unlicensed trainees fly?

s1ippy wrote: »

Tonnes of women getting their heads kicked in right now across the country and indeed across the globe due to lockdown. Three dead women in the papers the last two days in the UK and Ireland. I'm not saying that this means we should lessen the restrictions, it's just another cause of death which will go unreported and unattributed to all this carnage.

Due to the lockdown? No, due to their partners being abusive scum! There's many more not getting beaten by their partners.

I get your point though

lalababa

I think that if serious/critical (probably icu ventilator type scenario) type cases don't rise above 400 before Easter then there will be a relaxation on the 2km rule & maybe also a relaxation on DIY/Gardening stores. A further 2 weeks after that on the 28th of April if icus are 400 or less then some more jobs would be let back such as construction workers, and maybe a little derestriction of cocooning.
2 weeks later on 12th May, if Icus less than 400- some more jobs let back/end of cocooning. All the while a massive roll out of testing and antibody testing.
2 weeks later on 26 May some more jobs back and some seemingly essential things to go ahead... such as social distance exams, sports events behind closed doors etc.

s1ippy

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Depends, how many suicides left notes?

How many homeless and alcoholic as a result of losing everything?

Just because it can't be put on a death certificate doesn't mean it wasn't a factor

Tonnes of women getting their heads kicked in right now across the country and indeed across the globe due to lockdown. Three dead women in the papers the last two days in the UK and Ireland. I'm not saying that this means we should lessen the restrictions, it's just another cause of death which will go unreported and unattributed to all this carnage.

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

I personally don't see a relaxation until May at least. I think they'll make a decision eventually either way, it's a lot to ask of people. Some people don't get out much anyway and find this easy.

I lived off running, walking and cycling for exercise, im doing all that at brief times inside the 2km limit and I am finding it hard, there's no point lieing to make friend with you guys. I know people out there are in worse positions. I have a lot on my plate with vulnerable people in my own house. It's hard to cope at the moment. Take away exercise and I'd be unbearable. I'd find it very very hard.

In Spain they weren't allowing people walk, but you could walk your dog.... Dogs will have more right to life in that situation.

We have a sad situation developing, we are only at the start, everyone needs to work hard, keep to the 2km and get some fresh air. I think most people are doing it with some exceptions who you'll never tame. I ask you please don't look for a hard lockdown, we are doing well now.

That's not true for Spain. You are allowed walk within ten minutes of your home for essential reasons.

My wife and kids are currently in lockdown there, trust me when I say I know the situation there.

storker wrote: »

How many deaths were attributable to the last recession?

Depends, how many suicides left notes?

How many homeless and alcoholic as a result of losing everything?

Just because it can't be put on a death certificate doesn't mean it wasn't a factor

YFlyer

easypazz wrote: »

Why wait a week?

I need something tomorrow, down to local shop, pick item up with left hand, reach out to pay contactless with right hand and off I go.

If this thing is so contagious that the above is dangerous then we are all fcuked anyway.

Lol

IAMAMORON

The restrictions are in place to slow the escalation of the virus. Until the deaths and positive tests recede nothing will change.

I do think however that the virus is slowly turning political. Already opposition TD's are complaining about the testing issues and before long the release of restrictions will become a hot potato for whoever is in government. All along the message from WHO has been get there first and be safer than sorry. Politicians are shítting themselves about making the wrong decisions. I reckon they will need some serious evidence of a decline in deaths and positive cases before they start removing restrictions. Given the level of begrudgery and blame this country is fond of - the politicians won't be making any hasty calls. A lot with depend also on how things pan out elsewhere in Europe and the UK. The virus is political now.

I can see the Leaving cert happening as planned in June. The Junior cert can get kicked down the street, it is no biggie, it could easily be sat before Hallloween, job done. But the leaving is a requirement and is heavily monitored. 3rd level need to know where they are for September. I think uni exams will also go ahead if possible. Things have to progress.

This virus is not going anywhere. But it can be beaten if people do what they are told and stay the phuck in doors. Cocooning cannot eradicate the virus but it offers the HSE time to deal with it given its' limited resources.

This is a virus, it has no conscience, it will not relent. This pandemic looks to be in its infancy. Given what has happened in Italy and Spain I could not be trusting what the Chinese government is telling everyone. Over the next few weeks it could well get nasty in the US, they are projecting 100,000 deaths at best with a potential for over a million dead, that shít will get nasty. If that is all over your TV sets and deaths are not curtailed here get ready for a long summer.

The grim reality is that no one knows how bad this is going to get yet. I have spoken with health workers in the city centre and things are getting heavy in there. The next few weeks will be crucial. Hopefully the current restrictions are helping.

Speakerboxx

I think we have turned the corner and normality starts in 2 weeks. We be fine. In anothet month we wont be even talking about covid 19.

YFlyer wrote: »

Yes Yes Yes

Why wait a week?

I need something tomorrow, down to local shop, pick item up with left hand, reach out to pay contactless with right hand and off I go.

If this thing is so contagious that the above is dangerous then we are all fcuked anyway.

Definitely. I mean it is a total loop. Plus the surcharge you pay to the insurance.

@Jim

It is necessary and it will be for the majority of the world. As well as I respect you and your family or similar people who obey, there is a mast majority especially in Dublin central who totally disregard the rules and social distancing.

YOu can not say "Wicklower are allowed to walk whereas Dublineers are not" so...

Jim Gazebo

I personally don't see a relaxation until May at least. I think they'll make a decision eventually either way, it's a lot to ask of people. Some people don't get out much anyway and find this easy.

I lived off running, walking and cycling for exercise, im doing all that at brief times inside the 2km limit and I am finding it hard, there's no point lieing to make friend with you guys. I know people out there are in worse positions. I have a lot on my plate with vulnerable people in my own house. It's hard to cope at the moment. Take away exercise and I'd be unbearable. I'd find it very very hard.

In Spain they weren't allowing people walk, but you could walk your dog.... Dogs will have more right to life in that situation.

We have a sad situation developing, we are only at the start, everyone needs to work hard, keep to the 2km and get some fresh air. I think most people are doing it with some exceptions who you'll never tame. I ask you please don't look for a hard lockdown, we are doing well now.

GT89

Rotweiler wrote: »

Couldn'T agree more. On top of that; RSA test are cancelled as well. So it is a loop for unforeseen amount of time.

Should relax the restrictions on unaccompanied drivers temporarily

cherryghost wrote: »

I'm in a position where I need to shop for my family due to missing online groceries and have a car sitting in my driveway, for presumably months on end. I have a friend who works in healthcare that is affected similarly. Just going to post what I mailed to local TD.

In my friends case, she carpooled with healthcare workers (and 1 non)
right up until social distancing and from seperate households came
into force. There was a reliance on a fully experienced driver at the
time. My friend is a Learner driver, and has nobody to drive into work
with. At this point, she now walks 30 minutes to her nearest bus stop
(the 13), and another hour to get into a northside hospital that she
works in. She has also had to change work hours as bus doesnt come
early enough for her. Previously with carpool she was 45 mins in and
out each way (due to early nature of her hours with the carpool). She
is now spending the guts of 3 hours a day commuting on top of her 10
(often 12 due to pressure of healthcare work currently ongoing)
working hours daily. As she is a Learner Driver, she has the potential
to drive into work herself, but due to the current enforcements,
Learner Drivers must be accompanied by experienced driver, which
cannot happen due social distancing measures, and nobody in her
household to drive with.

There is a handful (at least) of similar healthcare and essential
workers at this time browsing the RSA Facebook comments, RSA Twitter
comments and Shane Ross' Twitter feed.

I myself am also a Learner Driver. Although not a healthcare worker
and in all seriousness nowhere near as screwed as my friend, I too
cannot drive my car due to no sponsor/experienced driver to sit with
me. I have a family, my wife is self isolating, and I had been
previously after my father tested positive. All good here but means
the family relies heavily on myself and online grocery orders. I have
had 2 situations in the past 3 weeks, where my online grocery
deliveries lacked essentials (nappies, bread, potatoes to name a few),
where I had to walk shop to shop around Clondalkin (I am west
Clondalkin based), do multiple walks back and forth as I dont have the
ability to carry a familys worth of groceries. I probably clocked more
than 10km in a day walking.

Couldn'T agree more. On top of that; RSA test are cancelled as well. So it is a loop for unforeseen amount of time.

Arghus

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I wonder have there been any 'supermarket clusters' yet. Be surprised if not...If one employee at a store tested positive, presumably it would have to close for a fortnight and the rest go into self-isolation...

It's the big conundrum really. If someone does get infected you would think that a lot of people who also work there would have to go into isolation and they'd have to shut the store in question.

But, then supermarkets themselves are classed as essential services and basically can't shut. So what happens?

This is presumably why there is a hiring drive going on right now across the sector. Because people will get sick sooner or later.

I can assure that absolutely no clue is possessed about what to do about this at any level of supervisor or management where I am at least, and I don't see why it is any different elsewhere.They aren't proactive about anything and only do the bare minimum of what they are advised to do. It's maddening. I've really seen the mediocrity of people in authority over the last couple of weeks.

YFlyer

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Can I walk a little quicker than casual, would that be ok?

Can I cycle to the pharmacy visit or not?

If I forget something if I'm a little forgetful, do I have to wait til next week?

Yes Yes Yes

cherryghost

I'm in a position where I need to shop for my family due to missing online groceries and have a car sitting in my driveway, for presumably months on end. I have a friend who works in healthcare that is affected similarly. Just going to post what I mailed to local TD.

In my friends case, she carpooled with healthcare workers (and 1 non)
right up until social distancing and from seperate households came
into force. There was a reliance on a fully experienced driver at the
time. My friend is a Learner driver, and has nobody to drive into work
with. At this point, she now walks 30 minutes to her nearest bus stop
(the 13), and another hour to get into a northside hospital that she
works in. She has also had to change work hours as bus doesnt come
early enough for her. Previously with carpool she was 45 mins in and
out each way (due to early nature of her hours with the carpool). She
is now spending the guts of 3 hours a day commuting on top of her 10
(often 12 due to pressure of healthcare work currently ongoing)
working hours daily. As she is a Learner Driver, she has the potential
to drive into work herself, but due to the current enforcements,
Learner Drivers must be accompanied by experienced driver, which
cannot happen due social distancing measures, and nobody in her
household to drive with.

There is a handful (at least) of similar healthcare and essential
workers at this time browsing the RSA Facebook comments, RSA Twitter
comments and Shane Ross' Twitter feed.

I myself am also a Learner Driver. Although not a healthcare worker
and in all seriousness nowhere near as screwed as my friend, I too
cannot drive my car due to no sponsor/experienced driver to sit with
me. I have a family, my wife is self isolating, and I had been
previously after my father tested positive. All good here but means
the family relies heavily on myself and online grocery orders. I have
had 2 situations in the past 3 weeks, where my online grocery
deliveries lacked essentials (nappies, bread, potatoes to name a few),
where I had to walk shop to shop around Clondalkin (I am west
Clondalkin based), do multiple walks back and forth as I dont have the
ability to carry a familys worth of groceries. I probably clocked more
than 10km in a day walking.

jules5417 wrote: »

Sorry to tell you but my sister said they gave 4 icu beds to over 65 year olds instead of people mid 40's because mid 40's all are smokers,alcohol dependency so most decisions are based on who is most likely to survive. Seriously its not just the elderly.

You are correct, you get triaged on chances of survival, but healthy younger people with covid-19 tend to be healthier than older people so the older people lose out.

Loafing Oaf

Arghus wrote: »

Where I work, about 30% of custimers still pay no heed to things like social distancing or cough etiquette. I see this with my own eyes every hour of every day. It is a fact.

And the proportion of my Co-workers who are oblivious to those things is closer to 50-60%

I wonder have there been any 'supermarket clusters' yet. Be surprised if not...If one employee at a store tested positive, presumably it would have to close for a fortnight and the rest go into self-isolation...

jules5417

easypazz wrote: »

When push comes to shove old people will be left out of ICU's and younger people treated first.

Old people can look after themselves by cocooning.

Sorry to tell you but my sister said they gave 4 icu beds to over 65 year olds instead of people mid 40's because mid 40's all are smokers,alcohol dependency so most decisions are based on who is most likely to survive. Seriously its not just the elderly.

boetstark wrote: »

Lads will people ignore this muppet timmy mallet, he is constantly winding people up and trolling on Boards.ie
Sad really

Add him to ignore list lol
Works like a charm

boetstark wrote: »

Lads will people ignore this muppet timmy mallet, he is constantly winding people up and trolling on Boards.ie
Sad really

He is fun to laugh at though. We are probably all bored.

boetstark

timmy_mallet wrote: »

See above.

Lads will people ignore this muppet timmy mallet, he is constantly winding people up and trolling on Boards.ie
Sad really

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Right, I thought it might have been an exaggeration.

What you've described only highlights the absurdity of supermarkets being open and a 3km cycle being banned.

You are suggesting close all supermarkets?

Arghus

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Right, I thought it might have been an exaggeration.

What you've described only highlights the absurdity of supermarkets being open and a 3km cycle being banned.

If Supermarkets are closed how are you supposed to buy food?

That's why they are classed as an essential service.

You can't eat a 3km cycle.

timmy_mallet

Arghus wrote: »

At the very least they don't observe the guidelines on social distancing. And being around that many people and being in close proximity to many people isn't considered a smart idea, whatever about the fifteen minute rule. And particularly in an area where people are touching lots of surfaces and breathing in the same recirculated air.

And that's just the customers. Do the workers spend more than fifteen minutes at a time within 1-2 metres of each other?Yes, a lot of them still do, even when they could easily not do it.

Right, I thought it might have been an exaggeration.

What you've described only highlights the absurdity of supermarkets being open and a 3km cycle being banned.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

See above.

Would it not be a little bit respectful to a till operator to wear a mask?

Can you imagine sitting at a till all day and seeing people coughing over a trolley and then expect you to touch their groceries?

Asking shoppers to wear a mask isn't a lot to ask.

timmy_mallet

Rotweiler wrote: »

Unfortunately he is rigt on this. Ireland has "policing" issue and other than cpouple of individuals and mostly expats, many disregard the respect to Gardai which I believe comes with the economic boom and lean attitude that is infected to everyone on this country for at least 10 years.

"Many", yes, we are all out there driving with no insurance, robbing, stealing, abusing etc.

Arghus

timmy_mallet wrote: »

You have 30pc if your customers standing within 2m of strangers for more than 15 minutes? I would be surprised if that was the case.

"There is very little risk if you're passing someone"

At the very least they don't observe the guidelines on social distancing. And being around that many people and being in close proximity to many people isn't considered a smart idea, whatever about the fifteen minute rule. And particularly in an area where people are touching lots of surfaces and breathing in the same recirculated air. People know all this and yet they still do it.

And that's just the customers. Do the workers spend more than fifteen minutes at a time within 1-2 metres of each other?
Yes, a lot of them still do, even when they could easily not do it.