Deleted User wrote: » But 18k is certainly a big enough sample to get an idea of the positive vs negative %. If it’s 94% negative, of course they’re going to want to make testing criteria more strict.
magic17 wrote: » What they've done is pretty smart really. They've basically wiped the list clean. The GPs will now need to more stringently put people forward. The worst thing about this whole process is that you're relying on what people say over the phone to their GP. There's a lot of people worried out there and will exaggerate their symptoms. Those who really need it will probably get tested far sooner than they would have. The wait times for the average person must easily have been 7-8 days at this stage. Getting rid of the 'I coughed once, I must have it' group will speed things up massively.
mugsymugsy wrote: » Also the other thing is that if people have been genuinely self isolating and symptoms have been mild then they haven't been spreading it. By refining the testing it can mean those that really need the testing get it. Health care workers and high risk. If people keep social distancing then the health care system might be able to manage it
STB. wrote: » Those people who "think" it was just a "flu" or a "cold" will go back into society and potentially spread the virus to other people who wont have mild symptoms or reactions and will end up in ICU's.
dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: » It seems more people were getting referred that needed to be and the system either cant cope or they dont have enough kits. If GP's were getting paid by referral then they were always going to refer everyone who had any symptom. Just got a call back from my GP saying I dont meet the new criteria so I can go back to normal as its been over 14 days since I was ill.
BarryD2 wrote: » They won't if they've a brain cell in their heads and can see the problem. Anyone who has been phoning the GP should be keeping to themselves, regardless of testing or not, for the two weeks. That's called taking personal responsibility and having regard for society.
STB. wrote: » No it is not. It is not the job of our public health officials to gamble. You cannot gamble with peoples lives. You don't simply "wipe the slate clean" because you have failed to test those who have come forward with symptoms, that you yourself set.Those people who "think" it was just a "flu" or a "cold" will go back into society and potentially spread the virus to other people who wont have mild symptoms or reactions and will end up in ICU's. The other thing..... peoples families may not have been self isolating. The contagion is spread easily.
STB. wrote: » Given there have been plenty of cases were the incubation period has been greater ta 14 days, this is russian roulette.27 days is the highest number I have seen. Recipe for disaster and highly irresponsible. Answers are needed. Transparency is key.
Happyilylost wrote: » Clear guidelines on what people with symptoms should do. Pretty sure heading straight back into society with symptoms is not in the guidelines.
dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: » Well I'll still maintain social distancing and avoid all contact possible but I'm glad to be able to head for a walk/run/cycle now
STB. wrote: » Dont compare us to South Korea. They tested from day one. They did 20,000 tests a day. They ended up testing half a million. In addition to testing they fully contained the virus, through testing everyone coming and going through the airport. They also continually monitored those infected using phone technology. Our testing regime HAS failed. We have testing centres sitting idle. An apparent lack of kits ? And a testing labs not ready to quantify those tests ? WHY ? Testing and isolation is the key, per WHO.
Happyilylost wrote: » Maybe the issue is the HSE weren't expecting to be testing as many who DIDN'T need to be tested. 94% negative. That figure needs to sit in everyone's head.
Fann Linn wrote: » But it is important also for the partners and families of the person who is supposed to be tested. My wife displayed all the symptoms initially, deemed suitable for the test and put on the list over two weeks ago. Now she's progressively got worse, although now she doesn't display all of the initial symptoms. She was also admitted into hospital and discharged with antibiotics, steroids, inhalers etc. In all that time she never got tested, and also in all of that time I continued to work. I'm actually in work now. I don't know if my wife has Covid 19 or pneumonia, she's booked in for a test today, hopefully in 5/6 days time the result will be negative, but if it is positive what have I been spreading for the last 2 weeks? By the way, I'm feeling grand atm.
Bigboldworld wrote: » Are they not ruling out a lot of people who will actually have coronavirus because they are saying you must have a fever? I’ve read a number of posts from people who tested positive without having a fever however on the other hand i read a report from a chinese hospital that almost 99% that presented had a fever?! Very confusing
paw patrol wrote: » half a million out of 50million is the same as 45000 irish people hse seems to be on their way to achieving that.. SK is weeks ahead of us due to the fact the infection landed there a lot sooner But lets be truthful and realistic here.
EDit wrote: » I believe the 99% with fever statistic is related to hospitalised patients. This is clearly a mechanism to move away from identifying all infected to identifying those most likely to end up in hospital or ICU. This is what most other countries are doing.
sydthebeat wrote: » Probably been answered already, but does the test tell you if you've already had it, but don't have it at the time of testing??
STB. wrote: » No you most certainly do not. I am sure you can make local practical arrangements that your HR/Manager can agree to, for everyone's benefit. Your government employer has responsibility for the overall health of their employees under the Health & Safety Act 2005. This is a total mess that has accumulated since the 13th. The moving of goalposts is going to result in situations like yours and far far worse, where people just go back to work without being responsible. Journalists need to be all over this because its a recipe for disaster.
EDit wrote: » The issue is that that means ~6% are positive. If we extrapolate that to the 40,000 people waiting on tests, that is 2400 people with C-19. Obviously, if everyone is self-isolating as they should then it, in some ways, doesn’t matter that we are not counting those 2400 people, but it does make a mockery of the daily numbers if so many infections are hidden
calfmuscle wrote: » There are clear guidelines that state if you have been in contact with a suspected case you should isolate. Why are you not isolating yourself? This is the unfortunate problem with ppl obsessing about testing. If you have symptoms or are around people with symptoms you have to isolate!!
sydthebeat wrote: » I know this thread is moving fast, but I just want to bump the below to see if anyone knows the answer please :
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » I don't believe the current one does. There's another test in use elsewhere that tests blood for antibodies that does that but I don't think the swab test does.
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » Let's say they've run their numbers on the symptoms reports and decided that by modelling that they have two pools of people. 10,000 of whom 20% are likely to be positive and 30,000 of whom 1.3% are likely to be positive. By removing the 30,000 from the pool waiting for tests they can process the 10,000 much easier and quicker.
gmisk wrote: » I have had a scratchy sore throat for about a week nothing too bad. But in the last few days I get a bit of pain when breathing in really deeply, especially at night. Think it might be time to call the doc I think
STB. wrote: » You cannot change the rules, because the game no longer suits. You cannnot model anything. This virus is random or is in clusters. They ****ed up. Even if 10% of those put forward by GP's are potentially negative, the other 90% have been left to themselves. I would be surprised if GP's were putting people up willy nilly for testing. It didnt happen overnight. This has been known about since the 13th and someone has been watching the numbers increase steadily, whilst sitting on their hands.
Runaways wrote: » Just to quickly ad South Korea isn’t a comparable example for any country. They have ample supplies and gear and equipment and know how given they have North Korea right next door. They’re ready and always train for a chemical or biological attack. So to say SK is testing tens of thousands a day and comparing us or any country to them is a bit ridiculous.
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