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I want a shutdown NOW!

realdanbreen

Not in 1 week 2 weeks whatever, NOW!
While most people are adhering to the health advice you cannot expect the gobshytes like those clowns packing beaches and parks to obey unless they are forced to.
Shutdown NOW.

Anyone that agrees stick your name below.

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brevity

You might get your wish OP:

https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1242095541770760194?s=20

rdwight

Nermal wrote: »

Nobody's forcing you to go out. You are free to shutdown by yourself. The rest of us may have a different risk tolerance to you, and can make our own decisions.

Can I take it that you struggled with the Pass epidemology paper in the Leaving Cert?

[Deleted User]

niallo27 wrote: »

You think its enough to man the whole country.

You won't need to man the whole country for a long long time, start it off with a few simple rules, no travelling by car or public transport to go to recreational areas, close a lot of the smaller parks and non essential shops and have it all enforced with small but not inconsequential fines of a few hundred euro after a warning from Guards at car parks and patrols, and the vast majority will fall in line. It's what they are doing in Austria at the moment in most of the country, except in the areas where there is a lot of cases, which are under a stricter quarantine.

smelly sock

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The WHO know more about disease than almost anyone likely to post on this thread, and by a large margin.

We need to test, track and isolate anyone with the virus or recently in contact with them. This is a "lockdown" for the most dangerous 1% of the population, so that some semblance of normal life is possible for the rest. People need to stay within their family or a limited set of people and minimise contact with randomers because tracing is impossible if there is random contact. This is not rocket science, yet we are caught between the extremists, the "its only flu" "people need to go out" brigade, and the "lock everything down until there is a vaccine" brigade.

= Balance.

ParkRunner

Summary of social media lately:

Day X - “People stay at home for f&ck sake.”
Day X+1 - “Much needed day out with the kids. Smashing day out.”

STB.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Clearly reading is an issue for you and yes DOOM merchants. Nothing better to do than wind themselves up and everyone stupid enough to listen to them.
As for education my response to you and others with the same behaviour is done in the manner it is because of my ability to avoid FB , WhatsApp , YouTube and boards for knowledge.
Take care.

It also seems you have managed to escape world media. Again, it may be that you cannot get a signal underneath the sand.

Plumbthedepths

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

i doubt any countries is to be honest apart from North Korea,
it just takes the public cooperation, but look most of our country voted sinn fein,
so not exactly the land of saints and scholars anymore that's the problem.

24% is not most, it's not even a quarter.

mullinr2

Full scale military lockdown for 2 to 4 weeks. ALL shops to close including supermarkets and pharmacies. Military to drop basics to every household twice a week and if you need any medicine you tell them. Virus will have nowhere to go. Once society gets back to normal anyone who arriving into Ireland is Tested and held until result

Charles Babbage

FVP3 wrote: »

When did you argue for "test test test". He is saying test and isolate who you need to. That's a world away from an indefinite lockdown, with no exit strategy. Be like Korea, not like China. Not that China didn't work, but we cant do it.

It's also what I have continually suggested we do. Only technology can save the day, and the West needs to get moving on that fast.

The WHO know more about disease than almost anyone likely to post on this thread, and by a large margin.

We need to test, track and isolate anyone with the virus or recently in contact with them. This is a "lockdown" for the most dangerous 1% of the population, so that some semblance of normal life is possible for the rest. People need to stay within their family or a limited set of people and minimise contact with randomers because tracing is impossible if there is random contact. This is not rocket science, yet we are caught between the extremists, the "its only flu" "people need to go out" brigade, and the "lock everything down until there is a vaccine" brigade.

ThewhiteJesus

niallo27 wrote: »

You think its enough to man the whole country.

i doubt any countries is to be honest apart from North Korea,
it just takes the public cooperation, but look most of our country voted sinn fein,
so not exactly the land of saints and scholars anymore that's the problem.

smelly sock

STB. wrote: »

Public Health first.

Economy Second. Lobby groups get no say.

That decision already made.

Yes. And that's why social distancing measure are introduced and being adhered to by the majority.

That's why schools are closed etc.

Why pick part of the post to suit your narrative?

STB.

smelly sock wrote: »

Anyone on here calling for a complete shutdown potentially wrecking the lives and economy for millions should list their medical qualifications and expertise.

Public Health first.

Economy Second. Lobby groups get no say.

That decision already made.

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

People shouldn't be asking for a lock-down which can't be enforced and is too soon, the HSE will make the decision.

Weld your front doors if you like, but others can go out, as often as much as they please at the moment.

The Minister for Health ALREADY has these powers. Please educate yourself.

Cork_Langer1

People shouldn't be asking for a lock-down which can't be enforced and is too soon, the HSE will make the decision.

Weld your front doors if you like, but others can go out, as often as much as they please at the moment.

Plumbthedepths

smelly sock wrote: »

Anyone on here calling for a complete shutdown potentially wrecking the lives and economy for millions should list their medical qualifications and expertise.

Otherwise I'd encourage people to listen and adhere to the advice from the WHO, HSE and qualified professionals.

We are not Italy. We shutdown pubs and should and the GAA, soccer and Rugby shutdown. We have introduced social distancing. Italy did not of these things until the horse had well and truly bolted.

Social distancing will see us through this and help us manage the crisis without the need for a full lockdown. Lets all play our part and keep the show on the road.

According to some here there are No Experts. Of course public health experts really know nothing about infection dissemination in the populace. It's the experts on Social Media that have all the answers.

niallo27

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

we actually do have an army, and a huge amount of armed Gardai

You think its enough to man the whole country.

STB.

Griffin Chilly Face wrote: »

Korea did close its schools!

This is what South Korea did.

They got their testing regime right from day one. They were doing 20,000 tests per day. (They got the genetic sequence for testing and used pharma companies help)

They isolated people infected.

They used technology to monitor people.

They monitor people coming in and out the country at the entry points.

They have a state of the art medical system.

As explained here by their Foreign Minister.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IQkhaBifGQ

smelly sock

Anyone on here calling for a complete shutdown potentially wrecking the lives and economy for millions should list their medical qualifications and expertise.

Otherwise I'd encourage people to listen and adhere to the advice from the WHO, HSE and qualified professionals.

We are not Italy. We shutdown pubs and should and the GAA, soccer and Rugby shutdown. We have introduced social distancing. Italy did not of these things until the horse had well and truly bolted.

Social distancing will see us through this and help us manage the crisis without the need for a full lockdown. Lets all play our part and keep the show on the road.

ThewhiteJesus

niallo27 wrote: »

What evidence is there that a lockdown will be adhered to. Other countries that have done this have armies to keep people inside and armed cops. We have nothing on that scale.

we actually do have an army, and a huge amount of armed Gardai

Thelonious Monk

I was coming up Watermill Road by St Anne's park in Raheny yesterday and there was a group of lads by the outdoor gym thing with pull up bars etc training on the bars, and a couple of them grappling on the ground, it must have been some kind of MMA group. This is what we're up against!

Disclaimer - I was on my bike and I go out once a day alone!

Plumbthedepths

STB. wrote: »

Best thing you can do is educate yourself, or get over yourself.

Doom merchants indeed.

Clearly reading is an issue for you and yes DOOM merchants. Nothing better to do than wind themselves up and everyone stupid enough to listen to them.
As for education my response to you and others with the same behaviour is done in the manner it is because of my ability to avoid FB , WhatsApp , YouTube and boards for knowledge.
Take care.

thecomedian

CaoinDory wrote: »

Completely agree. Get it over with sooner rather than later. For those self isolating already, doing it later would just feel like further punishment.

I doesn’t work like that.
It’s not a sooner or later option.

niallo27

What evidence is there that a lockdown will be adhered to. Other countries that have done this have armies to keep people inside and armed cops. We have nothing on that scale.

STB.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Best thing you do, get off boards and lock yourself down. Please don't reply to me again.

Best thing you can do is educate yourself, or get over yourself.

Doom merchants indeed.

ThewhiteJesus

CaoinDory wrote: »

As I said before... lacking common sense.

deja vu

as someone once said

again

CaoinDory

collywobble7 wrote: »

Jesus wept. What a reply.

As I said before... lacking common sense.

CaoinDory

collywobble7 wrote: »

Jesus wept. What a reply.

As I said before... lacking common sense.

aido79

STB. wrote: »

Nobody know Aido. It will be many months.

They took drastic steps in China and it took them months. Now they are facing a second wave due to importing cases back in from foreign jurisdictions. Its becoming circular.

Right now we need to isolate and contain, to stop a spread that overwhelms our health system and results in thousands of needless deaths.

There are countless countries where their health system is no longer fit for purpose. Decimated by the numbers infected. Look at Italy and Spain.

UK and US next. There will limited medical gear available very soon.

Your point about the second wave is exactly what I'm talking about. Even just one case after a lockdown and it all starts again. I agree that a lockdown would save a lot of lives and may need to be done to stop the health system from collapsing but the timing must be right.

The production of medical gear needs to be increased to give any chance of fighting this.
I actually think both the UK and the US will overtake Italy in the death toll by the time this is all over due to complacency and poor leadership.

collywobble7

Nermal wrote:

Nobody's forcing you to go out. You are free to shutdown by yourself. The rest of us may have a different risk tolerance to you, and can make our own decisions.

Jesus wept. What a reply.

martingriff

smelly sock wrote: »

A question. Do face masks stop you spreading the virus if you have it?

I understand that they may not stop you contracting.

If they stop the spread then why arent govt supplying them to households or why dont they legislate to enforce the wearing of them during thos crisis.

No mask don't stop you getting it as it may still get in to your eyes or ears. Also unless you put on the mask probably and sterily then no it's no use. The N95 masks which are often talk about need to be assessed on doctors and nurses and to make sure they are doing it right water (sterilised) is squirted on there face.

If no water goes under the mask off they go if there is water back to doing it again. Also these masks are now becoming overly expensive to buy as they get them from the same manufacture all other places do.

So washing hands keeping your distance and sneeze and cough into a tissue (and bin it) or you arm is the things we can do.

So how about people show we can use our own heads and do things proper rather then showing the government we can't follow rules and have to turn us into a nanny state

CaoinDory

Lurching wrote: »

Here's a question though:
If you knew a full lock-down was inevitable, would you prefer to do it now or later?

I'd prefer now as at least it would limit the spread.

Completely agree. Get it over with sooner rather than later. For those self isolating already, doing it later would just feel like further punishment.