I want a shutdown NOW!

realdanbreen · 23-03-2020 12:27pm #1

Not in 1 week 2 weeks whatever, NOW!
While most people are adhering to the health advice you cannot expect the gobshytes like those clowns packing beaches and parks to obey unless they are forced to.
Shutdown NOW.

Anyone that agrees stick your name below.

thecomedian · 23-03-2020 12:43pm

For how long?

Lollipop95 · 23-03-2020 12:45pm

Seems a lot of people in the UK think a full on lockdown over there could be announced today and that if it doesn’t happen they could end up worse than Italy :eek:

realdanbreen · 23-03-2020 12:46pm

thecomedian wrote: »

For how long?

As long as it takes to prevent a convoy of army trucks carrying coffins away to be cremated as we saw in Italy.

Salary Negotiator · 23-03-2020 12:47pm

What data are you basing this request on?

I’m sure Dr. Hoolahan will let us know when the experts think a lockdown should start.

Rodney Bathgate · 23-03-2020 12:48pm

Rodney Bathgate

Nermal · 23-03-2020 12:49pm

Nobody's forcing you to go out. You are free to shutdown by yourself. The rest of us may have a different risk tolerance to you, and can make our own decisions.

solidasarock · 23-03-2020 12:49pm

Ill let Leo know realdanbreen on Boards really wants a shutdown.

Woke Hogan · 23-03-2020 12:50pm

Nermal wrote: »

Nobody's forcing you to go out. You are free to shutdown by yourself. The rest of us may have a different risk tolerance to you, and can make our own decisions.

This is an attitude that will get people killed.

Lesnar Defender · 23-03-2020 12:50pm

I for one, do not want my civil liberties removed.

thecomedian · 23-03-2020 12:52pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

As long as it takes to prevent a convoy of army trucks carrying coffins away to be cremated as we saw in Italy.

We probably can’t do it for as long as it takes.
We will have to come out sometime.
There is no cure at the moment and there doesn’t seem to be one soon.
Without it the virus will come back.

So you can rant away but how long do you think it will take?

realdanbreen · 23-03-2020 12:52pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

What data are you basing this request on?

I’m sure Dr. Hoolahan will let us know when the experts think a lockdown should start.

See post #4

Wildly Boaring · 23-03-2020 12:53pm

Nermal wrote: »

Nobody's forcing you to go out. You are free to shutdown by yourself. The rest of us may have a different risk tolerance to you, and can make our own decisions.

I'm on a building site today.
There are several hundred here.
You think all the labourers, steelfixers and carpenters have been given a choice by their boss?

Shameful carry on.
They might need to quit to get out.

Salary Negotiator · 23-03-2020 12:54pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

See post #4

So you have no evidence or data that contradicts existing policy.

Glad that’s been cleared up.

Maybe we should leave this to the experts.

BTW I think a lockdown is coming and I’ve no issues with that.

BoldReason · 23-03-2020 12:55pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not in 1 week 2 weeks whatever, NOW!
While most people are adhering to the health advice you cannot expect the gobshytes like those clowns packing beaches and parks to obey unless they are forced to.
Shutdown NOW.

Anyone that agrees stick your name below.

Did you find any open betting shops you were looking for to bet on the weekends racing Dan?

STB. · 23-03-2020 12:56pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

What data are you basing this request on?

I’m sure Dr. Hoolahan will let us know when the experts think a lockdown should start.

I'm sure he is basing it on the Italian experience, who were at where we are now 3 weeks ago. Except they have jumped from 1,000 to nearly 60,000 in those 3 weeks.

Dr Holohan. Tony Holohan. There are no experts.

realdanbreen · 23-03-2020 12:56pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

What data are you basing this request on?

I’m sure Dr. Hoolahan will let us know when the experts think a lockdown should start.

Do you think if the people in Italy who have lost and are losing loved ones could turn back the clock and had a shutdown they would?

DeVore · 23-03-2020 12:56pm

Please everyone, Stay Civil or you will be asked to leave.

Irishphotodesk · 23-03-2020 12:57pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

This is an attitude that will get people killed.

That is the attitude of someone who may need to stay positive, it's the attitude I tell myself that I need, as someone who is regarded as front line and need to go outside (while secretly bricking it) ... Remember the taoiseach recently said... Not all hero's wear capes.

Yes there are idiots walking around without a care in the world, but the responsibility lies with us all, if you feel you are better off socially isolated, then do that, don't criticise others that need to go out (in some cases to prevent deaths)

Salary Negotiator · 23-03-2020 12:58pm

STB. wrote: »

Dr Holohan. Tony Holohan. There are no experts.

Thanks, I thought my spelling looked wrong.

realdanbreen · 23-03-2020 12:58pm

STB. wrote: »

I'm sure he is basing it on the Italian experience, who were we are now 3 weeks ago. Except they have jumped from 1,000 to nearly 60,000 in those 3 weeks.

Dr Holohan. Tony Holohan. There are no experts.

I have great admiration for these people but they also told us 3 weeks ago that there was a low to moderate risk of the virus coming into the country.

begbysback · 23-03-2020 12:59pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not in 1 week 2 weeks whatever, NOW!
While most people are adhering to the health advice you cannot expect the gobshytes like those clowns packing beaches and parks to obey unless they are forced to.
Shutdown NOW.

Anyone that agrees stick your name below.

Disagree, it’s not necessary at this moment, you are also suggesting an immediate lockdown without understanding the implications.

All the scaremongering clips of people not social distancing stems from the psychology of siblings telling on each other, they are a small percentage of the population

Salary Negotiator · 23-03-2020 1:01pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Do you think if the people in Italy who have lost and are losing loved ones could turn back the clock and had a shutdown they would?

I’m sure they would and like I edited to a previous comment I have no issues with a lockdown when it is commenced.

I just have more faith that those in charge will implement it when needed.

Muahahaha · 23-03-2020 1:01pm

Germanys solution seems like a good one, no more than two people out in public together at a time. Would certainly curtail the large groups out and about. Wouldnt have a problem with a lockdown myself, its a far better alternative than seeing Italys figures come to our shores in a few weeks.

thecomedian · 23-03-2020 1:03pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Do you think if the people in Italy who have lost and are losing loved ones could turn back the clock and had a shutdown they would?

So how long a shutdown?
3 weeks is not enough.
Do you want everything shutdown?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 23-03-2020 1:03pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

I have great admiration for these people but they also told us 3 weeks ago that there was a low to moderate risk of the virus coming into the country.

Quote please.

My recollection is that there was a low to moderate risk of catching it at the moment.

B-D-P-- · 23-03-2020 1:05pm

In this proposed shutdown that you have obviously so carefully planned and not just decided carelessly is needed..
Where will ireland get its supply from that we cannot source within our land?

STB. · 23-03-2020 1:06pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

I have great admiration for these people but they also told us 3 weeks ago that there was a low to moderate risk of the virus coming into the country.

Well Dan I am not one of those people.

A long as our borders and airports remain open to civilian traffic, its going to be groundhog day over and over.

The Chinese are now warning of re-infection and a second wave of the pandemic as a result of cases importing back into China.

I am also a believer in the good work of people self isolating, working from home and social distancing being undone by those who don't follow the advice and external factors that we need to control immediately. The UK have made a dogs dinner of it, largely at the hands of Dominic Cummings. We dont need to import those problems. The numbers are going to shoot up as a result of community transmissions and/or Cheltenham.

And I agree, we need to learn from the mistakes of Italy. It is human nature that some people will refuse to play ball and not exclusive to Italians. Our Health system could not sustain a serious exponential increase over the next few weeks.

is_that_so · 23-03-2020 1:06pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

As long as it takes to prevent a convoy of army trucks carrying coffins away to be cremated as we saw in Italy.

Italy messed up and didn't kick into action until it was too late. By the time they did the health system was overwhelmed.

Guy:Incognito · 23-03-2020 1:09pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not in 1 week 2 weeks whatever, NOW!
While most people are adhering to the health advice you cannot expect the gobshytes like those clowns packing beaches and parks to obey unless they are forced to.
Shutdown NOW.

Anyone that agrees stick your name below.

Sir! Yes , Sir!

I'll get right on it.

chicorytip · 23-03-2020 1:10pm

A complete lockdown will only be effective if there are sufficient police and military personnel available to enforce it which we don't have and, secondly, if the entire population is willing to comply with the restrictions involved. Many of us are unwilling in that regard, clearly.
So, I think it would be an impractical to introduce and too difficult to implement. The Italian situation tells us that.

uck51js9zml2yt · 23-03-2020 1:19pm

Lesnar Defender wrote: »

I for one, do not want my civil liberties removed.

Not even if it could save your life?

STB. · 23-03-2020 1:23pm

Lesnar Defender wrote: »

I for one, do not want my civil liberties removed.

"Your" civil liberties come second to public health interests.

Luimneach2018 · 23-03-2020 1:25pm

Unfortunately too many people care only about their civic rights/liberties and couldn't give a damn about their civic duty/responsibilities.

Ironically these are the very people who will be directly responsible for the inevitable further restrictions.

Woke Hogan wrote: »

This is an attitude that will get people killed.

You can take that further, it is an attitude that has already gotten countless people killed in other countries.

AllGunsBlazing · 23-03-2020 1:26pm

Announce a lockdown and long unruly queues will form outside supermarkets. Even if supermarkets are exempt people will still panic and they will be jammed as a result.

Then watch numbers of infected skyrocket.

STB. · 23-03-2020 1:26pm

chicorytip wrote: »

A complete lockdown will only be effective if there are sufficient police and military personnel available to enforce it which we don't have and, secondly, if the entire population is willing to comply with the restrictions involved. Many of us are unwilling in that regard, clearly.
So, I think it would be an impractical to introduce and too difficult to implement. The Italian situation tells us that.

No it doesn't. It proves that it was too late. The PM advised people to go out as normal, then changed their minds as numbered multiplied, hemmed and hawed about it, then locked it down when people were taking the píss and not taking it seriously.

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Announce a lockdown and long unruly queues will form outside supermarkets. Even if supermarkets are exempt people will still panic and they will be jammed as a result.

Then watch numbers of infected skyrocket.

This is already happening. Shopping centres have responsibilities as well.

run_Forrest_run · 23-03-2020 1:27pm

Nermal wrote: »

Nobody's forcing you to go out. You are free to shutdown by yourself. The rest of us may have a different risk tolerance to you, and can make our own decisions.

are you serious?

shesty · 23-03-2020 1:27pm

Marathon. Not a sprint.

osarusan · 23-03-2020 1:28pm

The exprts have said that social distancing is working but that further measures (ie lockdown) may be taken when the time is right...is the right time not right now?

Surely an earlier rather than later lockdown is better for suppressing transmission.

If there was a lockdown for 2 weeks, those with the virus will develop symptoms at home and can be treated, along with those they are in lockdown with, but will have passed it on to far fewer people than otherwise.

Widdensushi · 23-03-2020 1:29pm

37 posts and one name, not up to us to be trying to force these agendas, the people with alot more information should be left to make the right decision without being pressurised

STB. · 23-03-2020 1:32pm

shesty wrote: »

Marathon. Not a sprint.

Sorry the race is well under way.

The race to not have our health system meltdown like Italy's which was infinitely more better, a few weeks ago, than ours until it was overwhelmed.

We are two weeks away from a meltdown. Two weeks.

Widdensushi wrote: »

37 posts and one name, not up to us to be trying to force these agendas, the people with alot more information should be left to make the right decision without being pressurised

The only people with agendas from day one were the self serving businesses and lobby groups who put public health second.

AllGunsBlazing · 23-03-2020 1:39pm

STB. wrote: »

This is already happening. Shopping centres have responsibilities as well.

Maybe where you live it is but not where I am.

realdanbreen · 23-03-2020 1:43pm

B-D-P-- wrote: »

In this proposed shutdown that you have obviously so carefully planned and not just decided carelessly is needed..
Where will ireland get its supply from that we cannot source within our land?

You do understand that a shutdown/lockdown does not apply to essential health/food/emergency services right?

SuperRabbit · 23-03-2020 1:45pm

Since you never know till 2 weeks later if you have taken enough steps or not, it seems to me it's best to err on the side of caution, right? Because by the time we know whether or not schools / pubs / events cancelled is enough, it will be too late to go back and do more. I hope every company whose employees can work from home is doing the responsible thing and making them work from home or sending them home until that can be set up.

But really we should do a total shut down. If we overshoot the mark we can reopen things in 2 weeks, and it will really force businesses to figure out this work-from-home thing NOW rather than later. I think some will put it off till they have to.

(data from gov.ie)

ELM327 · 23-03-2020 1:49pm

Agree
Should have happened a month ago

chicorytip · 23-03-2020 1:54pm

STB. wrote: »

No it doesn't. It proves that it was too late. The PM advised people to go out as normal, then changed their minds as numbered multiplied, hemmed and hawed about it, then locked it down when people were taking the píss and not taking it seriously.

This is already happening. Shopping centres have responsibilities as well.

Italy has a population of fifty million so it must be difficult for the authorities to rigidly enforce compliance across the board. It's a hopeless task really even in a small country like ours. The number of new cases of infection in Italy has not dropped significantly as a result of lockdown measures being introduced.

STB. · 23-03-2020 1:56pm

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Maybe where you live it is but not where I am.

I am in Wexford.

Shopping centre car parks full over weekend. McDonald's queues all over the shop.

I have seen the pictures of Wicklow, Waterford, Dublin etc over the weeknd with people seriously taking the píss.

The inconvenience of staying in all too much sadly. Sounds a lot like what was happening in Italy not 2 weeks ago. The Doctor's coming out openly about the hard decisions they were making about who lives and dies and the scale of the problem to people who refused to take social distancing seriously.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-at-heart-of-illness-shares-chilling-coronavirus-thoughts/

chicorytip wrote: »

Italy has a population of fifty million so it must be difficult for the authorities to rigidly enforce compliance across the board. It's a hopeless task really even in a small country like ours. The number of new cases of infection in Italy has not dropped significantly as a result of lockdown measures being introduced.

They left it too late. They are open about the root cause. They are are asking other countries not to fall into the same trap.

Hopeless my backside. People will have to be inconvenienced to save as many as possible.

Muahahaha · 23-03-2020 2:00pm

SuperRabbit wrote: »

But really we should do a total shut down. If we overshoot the mark we can reopen things in 2 weeks, and it will really force businesses to figure out this work-from-home thing NOW rather than later. I think some will put it off till they have to.

Agreed, we should err on the side of caution and be doubling down right now. Only four deaths here so far but if in 2 or 3 weeks it is 50 or 60 people will look back and recognise that we should have locked down earlier. Better to be safe than sorry.

STB. · 23-03-2020 2:04pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Agreed, we should err on the side of caution and be doubling down right now. Only four deaths here so far but if in 2 or 3 weeks it is 50 or 60 people will look back and recognise that we should have locked down earlier. Better to be safe than sorry.

Backlog of tests to be qualified.

Backlog of tests to be carried out on waiting patients. 40,000

Seems that only NVRL doing lab test results They are the only accredited WHO testing centre, but there is no reason that commercial companies should not be contracted.

READ in Disbelief - We are going to have a massive jump as a result of the messing
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1242048836962525186?s=20

punisher5112 · 23-03-2020 2:04pm

If people start to think and use their brains a bit more we can get through this....

Biggest issues are groups or just too many going to the one place. ..

The way I've done it if it's too busy I drive on and find somewhere else to walk.
Whether that be from the house and around the area or down the Forrest or beach.....

Keep distance from others but where I work this isn't possible.

smelly sock · 23-03-2020 2:06pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not in 1 week 2 weeks whatever, NOW!
While most people are adhering to the health advice you cannot expect the gobshytes like those clowns packing beaches and parks to obey unless they are forced to.
Shutdown NOW.

Anyone that agrees stick your name below.

Mad alarmist statement based only on your preference and opinion. The CMO has said that the data available and scientific/ medical expertise points to not yet needing a full lockdown.

That'll do for me.

I want a shutdown NOW!

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