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In general proper hand washing is as good as using a hand sanitiser. However for people such as my mother who is in her eighties and suffering from cancer hand sanitisers can be vital. She needs to have one in her hall so that visitors make sure they don't carry in any infection.

We cannot get hold of any, but ut my local chemist told me that when they got a stock in recently people were grabbing handfuls and they were sold out in minutes.

Can I just appeal to people to be aware that if, as a healthy low risk family, they are depleting shops of hand sanitisers, many of which will remain in cupboards unused, they are depriving ill and vulnerable people and their families of a simple way of keeping a loved one safe.

Please, if stocks are replenished, don't hog them and stock pile.. Leave enough to keep ill and vulnerable n people safe.

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Wanderer78

endacl wrote:

Pandemic simply means itâ€™s happening in lots of places. Like stupidity.

Ah we aren't the most rational of beings at the best of times

biko

Ironicname wrote: »

I don't understand why the UK are exempt but I think otherwise it's a good call.

UK isn't in the EU Schengen area

Wanderer78

Xertz wrote:

I have what seems to be a head cold / cough and someone else in the house has a really bad cough and basically I'm not going out at all and working from home.

Our first boards victim, where yea living, I ll sharpen the pitchfork

is_that_so

zorro2566 wrote: »

Why toilet roll? Diarrhoea isn’t a symptom of this virus,it’s respiratory!

If you're trapped in your house for 3 weeks ...

Xertz

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Our first boards victim, where yea living, I ll sharpen the pitchfork

Probably not a great idea, you'll just end up with a pitch fork with my bad head cold.

magic_murph

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

My mother was always a germ freak.

I now carry 100% alcohol around for when i am unable to find a place to wash my hands. It smells weird like ..medicine mouth wash and pure strong booze....so i smell weird.

I am going to start wearing a mask in public places soon.

Sounds like she was more a raving alcoholic than a germ freak

whisky_galore

Field east wrote: »

One wonders the importance , or otherwise, of Ireland in the mind of the Donald. Not very to my mind when he specifically referred to the UK only as being exempt from the ban. The way it came out was a kind of an afterthought. You would think that ireland would be currently very much on his mind because of St Pats day, the fact that he was scheduled to meet Leo , the fact that he has investment properties in IRELAND and the fact that there are a significant number of high profile US company’s based here.
He forgot to mention that the ban did not include flights in relation to goods importation.

The media are reporting ‘gaps’ in Joe Biden’s personality that Trump is sure to exploit eg getting things wrong, being absent minded . Well, Trump has handed Biden’s team a wealth of ‘gaps’ in Trumps behavior on a silver platter in relation to the above - and in the context of he being president of the US and in dealing with an extremely serious matter

I doubt Ireland figures much in Trumpy's mind, Leo is just another head of state to meet and greet. Paddys Day is great but I think we overegg the importance of it at times, esp with the likes of the inward looking Orange one.

"I love the *insert nationality here* people. Great people."

Galadriel

8-10 wrote: »

I'd imagine the US multinationals here also have something to do with it.

I'd imagine there's a lot of people from across Europe trying to get here now to fly onwards to America

That won't work though, the ban is on anyone that has been in the schengen area for the past 14 days.

murpho999

TinyChancer wrote: »

How has the adjustment to living under a rock the last few months been for you?

Not living under a rock, just not panicking.

If a phone is with you all day then it will come into contact with what you yourself has been in contact with.

If the virus is on the phone's surface then you have most likely breathed it in as well which is how most people are contracting the illness.

Deebles McBeebles

"a foreign virus"

Amazing.

murpho999

biko wrote: »

UK isn't in the EU Schengen area

Yes but the decision makes no sense.Why is UK & Ireland ok?

What's to stop Schengen area residents getting flights through Ireland or UK.

A travel restriction is correct but it should be comprehensive.

He has politicsed it by calling it a foreign virus (as if viruses have nationalities) and appears to be having a go at the EU.

Peregrinus

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes but the decision makes no sense.Why is UK & Ireland ok?

Not just UK and Irland; all non-Schengen countries are OK.

murpho999 wrote: »

What's to stop Schengen area residents getting flights through Ireland or UK.

The ban is not on people coming on flights that have originated in the Schengen area; it's on people coming on any flights who have been in the Schengen area in the preceding 14 days.

murpho999 wrote: »

A travel restriction is correct but it should be comprehensive.

I think the US is already past the point where travel restrictions have much to offer them.

murpho999 wrote: »

He has politicsed it by calling it a foreign virus (as if viruses have nationalities) and appears to be having a go at the EU.

Yes, and yes. I think this is not an attempt to alleviate the imact of the virus, but to position himself to blame foreigners for the impact, when it emerges.

lawred2

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes but the decision makes no sense.Why is UK & Ireland ok?

What's to stop Schengen area residents getting flights through Ireland or UK.

A travel restriction is correct but it should be comprehensive.

He has politicsed it by calling it a foreign virus (as if viruses have nationalities) and appears to be having a go at the EU.

it's also only applies to those with non residency entitlements. Covid19 is known to be very aware of residency status.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Can the title be updated please? It's not a ban on flights from Schengen, it's a ban on entry to foreign nationals (without US residency, or not the immediate family of a US citizen) who have been in a Schengen country in the preceeding 14 days.

Deebles McBeebles

Dogg Munde wrote: »

Can the title be updated please? It's not a ban on flights from Schengen, it's a ban on entry to foreign nationals (without US residency, or not the immediate family of a US citizen) who have been in a Schengen country in the preceeding 14 days.

That's a bit wordy for a title.

Varik

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes but the decision makes no sense.Why is UK & Ireland ok?

What's to stop Schengen area residents getting flights through Ireland or UK.

A travel restriction is correct but it should be comprehensive.

He has politicsed it by calling it a foreign virus (as if viruses have nationalities) and appears to be having a go at the EU.

It isn't just people or flight originating in the Schengen, it's people that have been there in the last 14 days.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

That's a bit wordy for a title.

I'm sure a mod can summarise

[Deleted User]

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes but the decision makes no sense.Why is UK & Ireland ok?

What's to stop Schengen area residents getting flights through Ireland or UK.

A travel restriction is correct but it should be comprehensive.

He has politicsed it by calling it a foreign virus (as if viruses have nationalities) and appears to be having a go at the EU.

Id hazard a guess us homeland security will track anyones travel over previous 14 days and anyone been to europe wont be allowed

Kind of how isreal effectively bans anyone who ever been to iran

cena

Ireland and UK flights should be cancelled as well. I know of the Irish teams travelling to Chicago today. This includes a senior men's team and a u18 team.

They are taking their chances going over.

I don't think I would let me child with his team, just to be safe

faceman

BanditLuke wrote: »

I'd argue he's the only one showing any kind of leadership on the biggest issue our species has faced since WW2. He should have done it weeks ago though when it became apparent what was developing in China.

Ehhhh. Have you been following his handling of the issue in the US? Do some research and then see if you consider his actions the showing of leadership

lawrencesummers

How many people that are outraged at Trumps ban were also calling for flights to Ireland from Italy To be cancelled?

Harry Palmr

He is protecting his golf resorts.

pjdarcy

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes but the decision makes no sense.Why is UK & Ireland ok?

Trump has resorts in Scotland and Ireland.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Id hazard a guess us homeland security will track anyones travel over previous 14 days and anyone been to europe wont be allowed

Kind of how isreal effectively bans anyone who ever been to iran

how would they know if a UK citizen had travelled to a schengen country in the last 14 days before travelling to the US?

Peregrinus

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how would they know if a UK citizen had travelled to a schengen country in the last 14 days before travelling to the US?

1. You'll be asked. Not everyone is prepared to lie directly.

2. Do you have a machine readable passport? Can you recall if it was scanned the last time you travelled to or from Schengenland? If the answer to the first question is "yes" and the answer to second question is either "it was scanned" or "I don't recall if it was scanned" then you need to think carefully about whether, even if you are prepared to lie, you will get away with it.

Strumms

Deleted User wrote: »

Hard to blame him really with the numbers said to explode in the eu over next few days

They've enough of a crisis without bringing in some from outside,wish we couldve done same surronding italian rugby supporters last weekend

Our politicians first loyalty and duty of care isn’t to the general public and the wellbeing thereof, it’s to their mates and families in the hospitality sector, hoteliers, publicans and so on, it’s fine and dandy to put the wellbeing of this country at risk as long as the cash is rolling into the tills. FF / FG are just two sides of the same coin. If this doesn’t spell it out to everyone nothing will, ever.

Wibbs

zorro2566 wrote: »

Why toilet roll? Diarrhoea isn’t a symptom of this virus,it’s respiratory!

Because somewhere someone IIRC posted something along the lines of bog roll was all made in China or some such daftness and the meme spread faster than any virus. Like fidget spinners, hula hoops, property bubbles, whatever. A too large proportion of people are very easily influenced by such things. Not all are morons either, though morons make up a fair chunk, but add in fear, ignorance and a change in how safe they view the world and all bets are off. In essence most people are fine, some are thick, some are bright, most meet in the middle, but the Mob is always reactive and stupid.

[Deleted User]

Strumms wrote: »

Our politicians first loyalty and duty of care isn’t to the general public and the wellbeing thereof, it’s to their mates and families in the hospitality sector, hoteliers, publicans and so on, it’s fine and dandy to put the wellbeing of this country at risk as long as the cash is rolling into the tills. FF / FG are just two sides of the same coin. If this doesn’t spell it out to everyone nothing will, ever.

I hate to be defending FF and FG,but there is freedom of movement laws in eu,which might make banning italians very difficult to do??

We've spent last 2 years argueing over brexit,on this very issue

That being said,i do think the EU should step.in and suspend free movements as much as is viable to do so

Tordelback

It's not the flight ban that's the issue, it's the chest-pounding divisive rhetoric that he drapes it in. Using a pandemic to further his undermining of the EU, like a viral version of his Brexit pets, when the US has done worse than nothing itself so far. It's obscene. If ever we needed to work together it's now.

Peregrinus

Deleted User wrote: »

I hate to be defending FF and FG,but there is freedom of movement laws in eu,which might make banning italians very difficult to do??

We've spent last 2 years argueing over brexit,on this very issue

That being said,i do think the EU should step.in and suspend free movements as much as is viable to do so

The EU can't suspend/limit free movement on public health grounds. But individual Member States can, and from time to time do.