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President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announces a formal impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump over the whistleblower complaint on Trump's communication with Ukraine about Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden. /CNN

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y0ssar1an22

FreeThePants wrote: »

Deleted it because ii think I had the wrong thread. I'm capable of discussing more than one thing though, thankfully.

more than trump apparently.

i think its mad, even here in ireland, how divisive he is

Boggles

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

more than trump apparently.

i think its mad, even here in ireland, how divisive he is

You think it's "mad" how divisive Trump is?

Really?

Outlaw Pete

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Has he gotten around to hosting the Ukrainian president? Ya know in there was no quid pro quo for aid and the meeting at the WH..

Not yet, but sure he has five years to arrange that.

notobtuse

FreeThePants wrote: »

It's going to be hard for Trump to cure world hunger when farmer bankruptcies m due to him being absolutely destroyed in his little trade war with China that he doesn't seem to really want to talk about much any more. Even trying to be a socialist by bailing them out hasn't worked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/30/politics/farm-bankruptcies-trump-aid/index.html

Maybe the sharp increase in suicides will help offset this though...

I understand the trade deal signed with China will be a boon for farmers. They stuck with him, yeah, probably because twice had to allocate multibillion dollar bailouts for producers hit by Chinese tariffs. Negotiations sometimes are rough and take time... and sometimes they work out (yeah, I know... Oh, crap!). But it paid off because the deal included a pledge by China to buy at least an additional $12.5 billion worth of agricultural goods in 2020 and at least $19.5 billion more than the 2017 level of $24 billion in 2021.

I think we’re gonna need a bigger farm.

y0ssar1an22

Boggles wrote: »

You think it's "mad" how divisive Trump is?

Really?

pretty much. for the US people what has he done wrong?

maybe i should be more informed, so instead of asking the above, i should be listing all of his achievements

Outlaw Pete

Boggles wrote: »

He met with someone and signed 2 documents.

Flat out all right.

lol. You might want to look into how much time he spent on all three of the above before making such a laughable comment :P

Also squeezed in two rallies this week too.

Boggles

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

maybe i should be more informed

I agree.

Boggles

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

lol. You might want to look into how much time he spent on all three of the above before making such a laughable comment :P

Also squeezed into two rallies this week too.

https://trumpgolfcount.com/

244 Daytime visits to golf clubs since inauguration, with evidence of playing golf on at least 113 visits

Outlaw Pete

Careful now. The MSM said he went playing golf on Thanksgiving and it was actually a decoy and he had in fact flown to Afghanistan to be with the troops.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-newsweek-journalist-fired-jessica-kwong-thanksgiving-afghanistan-a9228331.html

y0ssar1an22

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

1. Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States presidential election

by asking someone corrupt to be investigated?

if he had of went to the DOJ, instead of straight to zelensky, would that be grand? i still dont understand how he interfered with an election, when no one knows yet who the candidates will be.

2. Donald J Trump has directed the unprecedented, categorical and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives pursuant to its sole power of impeachment.

could the house not of gone to the courts to get a ruling on that?

Boggles wrote: »

I agree.

so maybe the above

notobtuse

Boggles wrote: »

https://trumpgolfcount.com/

I used to think playing golf so much took away from a president's ability govern effectively. I guess that was just Obama. Since Trump has accomplished so much and still plays quite a bit of golf I think it should be mandated going forward that every president is required to play lots of golf.

FreeThePants

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

more than trump apparently.

i think its mad, even here in ireland, how divisive he is

By 'more than Trump apparently' do you mean by discussion of Trumps legal counsel and their immediate change of heart surrounding him, or do you mean my discussing a key witness in the Trump investigation (Lev Parnas)?

FreeThePants

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

by asking someone corrupt to be investigated?

By making up baseless claims and pressuring other nations into claiming they are real. That's as per his own national security advisor who had it confirmed by Trumps own secretary of state.

could the house not of gone to the courts to get a ruling on that?

Nope. A sitting US president has to be impeached in both the house and senate before they can be subject to this. He has been impeached in the house but gop senators have come out and pojnt blank said they will not honour the rule of law, and will not act as the impartial jurors they are constitutionally required to be for this kind of affair.

[Deleted User]

No witnesses to be called. vote lost 49-51.

mickdw

Surely the democrats have just handed trump a 2nd term with that circus. Misjudged.

FreeThePants

mickdw wrote: »

Surely the democrats have just handed trump a 2nd term with that circus. Misjudged.

I doubt it. Anyone who votes republican after the farce of the last few weeks would have voted for literally anyone that tehyput up with an (R) beside their name come November.

I think the play was more to either a) have him impeached in a fair trial but that was never going to happen (GOP senators literally said as much), and so b) to cause disgust among younger voters not just at Trump, but at his enablers in the house and senate also.

If 2018 is anything to go by, most of America is fast getting tired of the GOP flaunting the fact they have no respect for the law.

mcmoustache

mickdw wrote: »

Surely the democrats have just handed trump a 2nd term with that circus. Misjudged.

That's the prevailing wisdom among the red-X, 3-star, MAGA twitter crown but I'm not sure if it reflects reality.

[Deleted User]

https://www.270towin.com/2020-senate-election/

35 seats to be filled in November. 8 unsafe for Republicans.
They've don't hold the House, They run a very real danger of loosing the Senate and any of the likely Democrat candidates can easily beat Trump to be President in November.
It'll be four years of the Republicans not getting a say in the running of the Country. The damage was done four years ago.

Igotadose

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.270towin.com/2020-senate-election/

35 seats to be filled in November. 8 unsafe for Republicans.
They've don't hold the House, They run a very real danger of loosing the Senate and any of the likely Democrat candidates can easily beat Trump to be President in November.
It'll be four years of the Republicans not getting a say in the running of the Country. The damage was done four years ago.

2/3 both houses and Constitutional amendments are in play. Now isn't that an exciting thought? Repeal the 2d? Health care in the Constitution? All forms of medical care as basic human right? Things like that.

Boggles

The narrative been peddled by GOP Senators and we are likely to hear more of over the next few days is that there was no need to call witnesses because the House Managers proved their case (Trump was guilty) and it is up to the American people to decide in November.

Wouldn't it have been easier for the American people to decide in November if the GOP had not out right blocked key witnesses from testifying?

You couldn't make it up.

Outlaw Pete

The evidence that the president is guilty of that which the articles of impeachment claim is supposed to be presented to the Senate when making the case of their guilt. Democrats want to use the Senate as a fishing expedition and to continue where they left off in congress. They all said they had proven their case and clearly they had not and in fact and nothing to support the claim that the president "solicited the interference of a foreign government in the 2020 United States Presidential election".

They should not have made this claim without evidence. Opinion is not evidence. Conjecture is not proof.

What if the gossip about what is in someone's forthcoming book, and it's supposed relevance, not been leaked, what then? What would these fools have said then about their lack of a case?

Look, just like Trump-Russia collusion farce, it could be seen to be a nothing burger a mile off, but there is never any talking to leftists, they believe what they infer is factual and plough on ahead regardless telling everyone that tries to steer them towards the truth that they are the ones who are wrong and sadly no matter how hard they faceplant, they seem incapable of taking lessons from it and no doubt there will be yet another 'We got him now!' along any second.

duploelabs

I do love having the ignore function on posts

Cody montana

duploelabs wrote: »

I do love having the ignore function on posts

I was just about to ask the question, how do you put someone on ignore?

Anyway, I wonder how long it will be till the next Trump scandal?

[Deleted User]

Bolton says Cipollone, Trumps Lawyer, who ran his defence and spoke during the hearing denying everything was present in the room party to the early stages of Trump's strategy to use Ukraine to undermine his political opponents.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/live-blog/trump-impeachment-trial-senate-votes-loom-witnesses-trump-s-fate-n1127261/ncrd1127711#liveBlogHeader

The Republican Senators were put in a horrible position of having to support an obvious Crook or else impeach him. They live in the hope that they can get him re-elected as there is no obvious Republican candidate for President who can take over.

woohoo!!!

Two things I think can be drawn from it. You have got to litigate in court for witnesses and documents. Trump has set the precedent for not co-operating, so in future and regardless of length of time, this has to be done. Second thing, unless there is bi-partisan support, impeachment isn't the way to go.

Trump has not got away with anything, he was never going to be removed, much of the info is in the public domain with perhaps more to follow.

There is an obvious problem with partisan politics, both sides are at it. Both sides of the media are at it. It's depressing that everything is so polarised and Trump is just the latest iteration of this

Boggles

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Democrats want to use the Senate as a fishing expedition

You mean call witnesses?

First time in U.S. history that a Senate impeachment trial will not include hearing from witnesses

Mental concept all right. :rolleyes:

duploelabs

Cody montana wrote: »

I was just about to ask the question, how do you put someone on ignore?

Anyway, I wonder how long it will be till the next Trump scandal?

I wouldn't say its too long until the next impeachment actually, now that parnas and Bolton are willing to provide testimony and Trump's defence team said they needed to hear from them during the house stages but for 'the Dems making a pigs ear of things' (ok I'm paraphrasing them)

Outlaw Pete

duploelabs wrote: »

I do love having the ignore function on posts

Thank you for illustrating my point beautifully. Leftists cultivate echo chambers by insisting that they are right and ignoring all views to the contrary and this results in the faceplants which I refer to like the Trump-Muller collusion nonsense and now the Trump "solicited the interference of a foreign government in the 2020 United States Presidential election" palava which was equally as absurd and had about as much evidence to support it, ie: none.

Boggles wrote: »

You mean call witnesses?

Mental concept all right. :rolleyes:

Find this rather laughable, all this whining about not having witnesses when the democrats refused to allow republicans to call any during the congressional hearings. They walked on their political opposition every chance they could, making the process as difficult as they could for them, and then are shocked when they are not accommodated to all they wants and desires. Zero self awareness.

Had they remotely made the case that witnesses were warranted, they'd have got them, but they didn't.

https://twitter.com/RepAndyBiggsAZ/status/1223333796432445440

duploelabs

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Thank you for illustrating my point beautifully. Leftists cultivate echo chambers by insisting that they are right and ignoring all views to the contrary and this results in the faceplants which I refer to like the Trump-Muller collusion nonsense and now the Trump "solicited the interference of a foreign government in the 2020 United States Presidential election" palava which was equally as absurd and had about as much evidence to support it, ie: none.

Find this rather laughable, all this whining about not having witnesses when the democrats refused to allow republicans to call any during the congressional hearings. They walked on their political opposition every chance they could, making the process as difficult as they could for them, and then are shocked when they are not accommodated to all they wants and desires. Zero self awareness.

Had they remotely made the case that witnesses were warranted, they'd have got them, but they didn't.

https://twitter.com/RepAndyBiggsAZ/status/1223333796432445440

And the arrogance to think I was talking about you, bless.

Boggles

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Two things I think can be drawn from it. You have got to litigate in court for witnesses and documents.

Well. No you don't, at least not according to Trumps DOJ.

Senators break into laughter as Schiff points out ironic difference between Trump's legal defense and DOJ arguments

President Trump's impeachment defense team seems to be on a different page than lawyers in the Department of Justice.

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) noted this disparity while answering questions from senators in Trump's Senate impeachment trial on Thursday. Schiff said that while Trump's legal team argued the House should have gone to court to force witnesses like former National Security Adviser John Bolton to testify via subpoena, Justice Department lawyers were — nearly simultaneously — arguing in a separate case that it's up to Congress to enforce subpoenas through measures like... impeachment.

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Trump has set the precedent for not co-operating, so in future and regardless of length of time, this has to be done. Second thing, unless there is bi-partisan support, impeachment isn't the way to go.

There never will be. Impeachment is no longer a relevant tool to prevent a King.

The framers never envisaged the likes of this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4O2Ob1gVRU