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Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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Continued from here
https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057953711/251
All Ireland Senior XV related talk here.

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molloyjh

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Stick in Ruddock at 6 and it would make it look a lot better

Yeah but then you're dropping POM. Unless you transfer him across to 7 then it's probably much of a muchness in many ways, even considering the difference in form. It's a very inexperienced back row overall.

Clegg

There's a new leadership group in the Ireland squad. Best is obviously gone, but so too is CJ. Ringrose, Ryan and Furlong are now in.

He has been encouraged by the early signs from his new Ireland leadership which includes experienced heads in Sexton, Munster captain Peter O’Mahony, and Ulster captain Iain Henderson, as well as the Leinster trio of James Ryan, Garry Ringrose, and Tadhg Furlong. Exiting are the retired Best and also back row CJ Stander.

https://www.the42.ie/furlong-ryan-leadership-ireland-sexton-4983868-Jan2020/?utm_source=shortlink

Shefwedfan

molloyjh wrote: »

Yeah but then you're dropping POM. Unless you transfer him across to 7 then it's probably much of a muchness in many ways, even considering the difference in form. It's a very inexperienced back row overall.

Stick POM at 7.....

Ruddock POM Conan would be a good combo with Deegan on bench

moritz1234

molloyjh wrote: »

Just looking at a first vs seconds is interesting.

1st Choice|2nd Choice
Cian Healy|Dave Kilcoyne
Rob Herring|Ronan Kelleher
Tadgh Furlong|Andrew Porter
Iain Henderson|Devin Toner
James Ryan|Ultan Dillane
CJ Stander|Peter O'Mahony
Josh van der Flier|Jack O'Donoghue
Caelan Doris|Max Deegan
|
Conor Murray|John Cooney
Jonathan Sexton|Ross Byrne
Jacob Stockdale|Keith Earls
Bundee Aki|Robbie Henshaw
Garry Ringrose|Chris Farrell
Andrew Conway|Dave Kearney
Jordan Larmour|Will Addison

Our second string backline actually looks good, given the injury to Carbery especially. But our second strong pack less so. I suppose if you factor in Leavy and Conans injuries that does improve things somewhat. But other than the front row the above isnt great. We will probably need to rely on the first choice guys staying fit really.

Earls is injured but don't let the facts get in the way

prawnsambo

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is injured but don't let the facts get in the way

Don't let the premise of his post pass you by. It's a depth chart based on who's in the Ireland camp. Injuries are irrelevant.

moritz1234

prawnsambo wrote: »

Don't let the premise of his post pass you by. It's a depth chart based on who's in the Ireland camp. Injuries are irrelevant.

Oh dear :rolleyes:

lawrencesummers

prawnsambo wrote: »

Don't let the premise of his post pass you by. It's a depth chart based on who's in the Ireland camp. Injuries are irrelevant.

So why aren’t leavy and Conan in there again? If only he had mentioned why.

aloooof

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is injured but don't let the facts get in the way

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So why aren’t leavy and Conan in there again? If only he had mentioned why.

Ah, lads. Not everything is a slight against Munster.

The 1st vs 2nd is based on the team that's been selected for Scotland.
Leavy and Conan are literally mentioned in the post! But weren't included in the table as they won't feature in the 6 Nations.

It's just a way of viewing the depth in camp. You're looking for insult where there is none.

kilns

aloooof wrote: »

Ah, lads. Not everything is a slight against Munster.

The 1st vs 2nd is based on the team that's been selected for Scotland.
Leavy and Conan aren't included because they won't feature in this 6 Nations. And LEavy and Conan are literally mentioned in the post!

It's just a way of viewing the depth in camp. You're looking for insult where there is none.

Munster snowflakes

moritz1234

Earls is first choice and injured, simple as that.
After the Scotland game, if the others are outstanding, he may lose his first choice status. At the moment he is still first choice.

aloooof

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is first choice and injured, simple as that.
After the Scotland game, if the others are outstanding, he may lose his first choice status. At the moment he is still first choice.

Unless you are actually Andy Farrell, you have no way of knowing if that's the case, injury or otherwise.

[Deleted User]

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is first choice and injured, simple as that.
After the Scotland game, if the others are outstanding, he may lose his first choice status. At the moment he is still first choice.

It's really not simple as that. We have no idea if he's first choice or not anymore.

moritz1234

aloooof wrote: »

Unless you are actually Andy Farrell, you have no way of knowing if that's the case, injury or otherwise.

Yes I do
Every time Earls is fit he is picked (i.e. First choice)
If that changes he is no longer first choice

Eod100

So draw for next RWC made after November series. Not sure if this was always on the cards but deciding seedlings almost 3 years in advance of tournament seems daft! https://amp.rugbypass.com/news/world-rugby-have-just-put-added-pressure-on-teams-to-improve-their-results-in-2020/?__twitter_impression=true

kilns

moritz1234 wrote: »

Yes I do
Every time Earls is fit he is picked (i.e. First choice)
If that changes he is no longer first choice

But this is the first team this coach has picked :rolleyes:

aloooof

moritz1234 wrote: »

Yes I do
Every time Earls is fit he is picked (i.e. First choice)

Every time Earls was fit he was picked. Under a different coach.

moritz1234 wrote: »

If that changes he is no longer first choice

It has changed as we have a new coach.

prawnsambo

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is first choice and injured, simple as that.
After the Scotland game, if the others are outstanding, he may lose his first choice status. At the moment he is still first choice.

Oh dear.

Clegg

Appalling behaviour from fans of Ireland's third best province.

[Deleted User]

CJ existing the leadership group is interesting. Seems all the back slapping etc doesn't hold much weight. Surprised enough at Ringrose and Furlong joining it too.

More I think about it, more disappointing the selection is really. He had to do something with the backrow but otherwise it's really just more of the same, and wouldn't be surprised if we saw him go back to the guys with that experience as the tournament goes on. Doris is going to have to tear it up or there'll be a clamour to drop him. Hopefully we do something other than just run into them with the ball at least.

Bogwoppit

Interested Observer wrote: »

CJ existing the leadership group is interesting. Seems all the back slapping etc doesn't hold much weight. Surprised enough at Ringrose and Furlong joining it too.

More I think about it, more disappointing the selection is really. He had to do something with the backrow but otherwise it's really just more of the same, and wouldn't be surprised if we saw him go back to the guys with that experience as the tournament goes on. Doris is going to have to tear it up or there'll be a clamour to drop him. Hopefully we do something other than just run into them with the ball at least.

I see Ringrose becoming the next captain over Ryan, he has the ability and leadership skills to do it and along with Ryan is probably the only guaranteed starter.

molloyjh

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is injured but don't let the facts get in the way

Jesus, what are you? 12?

Sangre

molloyjh wrote: »

Jesus, what are you? 12?

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

thebaz

moritz1234 wrote: »

Yes I do
Every time Earls is fit he is picked (i.e. First choice)
If that changes he is no longer first choice

Life changes - time doesnt stand still - it is Earls now who must return to sensational form

[Deleted User]

aloooof wrote: »

Ah, lads. Not everything is a slight against Munster.

Ehhh... Speak for yourself

Bogwoppit

Great highlight on the Rugby World Cup Facebook page today of Earls and then O’Mahoney getting turned inside out by the Japanese wing.
O’Mahoney in particular is made look particularly poor but then again we know he doesn’t like making tackles.

awec

Closed for review.

lawrencesummers

Review concluded presumably?

Larbre34

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnyway.

O'Driscoll on OTB there this evening making the very plausible argument that this Ireland squad, in particular the forward pack, is lacking a toerag, a thug, a hothead, a grappler, a street-fighter, an instigator, a lunatic, an enforcer, an agent provocateur.

Do we agree? If so do we see a Bakkies, a Burger, a Cudmore, a Johnson or even an O'Connell emerging from within this group? Will we need a physical talisman, a colossus to cause aggro in London and Paris?

yerrahbah

Earls is still Irelands best winger according to Drico, not sure how I feel about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNOszVposl0

ionadnapóca

Bogwoppit wrote: »

I see Ringrose becoming the next captain over Ryan, he has the ability and leadership skills to do it and along with Ryan is probably the only guaranteed starter.

I do find this very interesting. I think Ringrose has the mentality and demeanor to make a decent captain. Same goes for Tadgh.

Would always prefer a forward or a 9 to be the captain where possible.

A 10 and 13 already have enough responsibilities to organise the backs without the decision making burden of captaincy.

Genuinely can’t think of any excellent captains that played at 10 or 13. And I include great players like Wilkinson and BOD.