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Election called for Saturday 8 February

Thelonious Monk

Can't see a thread on this. That's pretty soon huh? I hope people vote anything but FF/FG. Why not do something different for a change?

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Billcarson

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The implication is that people who are "I'm all right Jack" don't care for issues such as housing and health. People with good jobs still need their employers to be able to hire employees that need homes to grow and stay profitable.
Even with private health insurance, I still have to use A&E where required.

But as you choose SF, am example why I don't vote for them is their plans to punish with extra tax anyone earning over 100K. What will that do to fix the health system that needs more consultants? Multinationals moving here create many well paid jobs but that extra punishing tax will just make it harder to attract then here as they need to attract in their key managerial staff from abroad.

And how did the government improve things in the health service? I have private health insurance too,sure that's what they want us to have. The gov have seemed to have made the health service even worse.
Sorry but I want fg out and ff nowhere near Gov simple as that. Sf all the way for me.

Of course that's not going to happen is it. Ff back in with the greens as junior party is my prediction . So you can sleep soundly......

reg114

The FG gov led by Enda Kenny that came to power after the economic crash blew the greatest opportunity for wholesale change this country could have ever witnessed. Decades of bloated unionised government departments like the health sector, education, the gardai could have been obliterated overnight if the political will had been present and the message conveyed to an electorate in shock after the crash.

The sad fact is public sector employee numbers exploded under Bertie Ahearne at a time when technology could have been adopted to actually reduce head count.

A cost benefit analysis of every government department has never been performed, this is something that could have been done under the watchful eyes of the IMF ten years ago. But Enda didnt have the guts. I recall Morgan Kelly predicting the economic collapse with confidence, equally he said cuts should have been much much deeper than Enda permitted, but what do you expect when you have a teacher as a Taoiseach ? Replace him with a failed Doctor ? Leo is like a south side version of Bertie only in a better cut suit. Both men were gifted a booming economy and both only interested in having their photos taken, and history will treat them roughly the same, because a recession is looming folks.

Irelands two party system works no better than the british or the American two party systems.. They have all failed, but they have failed not simply because of their respective political infrastructures but primarily because on an apathetic public. Apathy is the greatest threat to democracy. Watch how many people vote for FF and FG in the next election, if you are amongst them you are part of the problem. I have never voted for either party. Perhaps I'll vote for the greens.. at least they take the impending climate crisis seriously as opposed to Looney leo who thinks global warming will be a good thing FFS.. and to those who scoff at the greens lack of 'economic nous' , I say .. it was all the economic geniuses in FF who buried us financially, ( irish national debt is still 250 billion euros) and it was FF and FG who have enjoyed a cosy 'confidence and supply' partnership in recent years .. thats not democracy .. Wake up folks. If you keep voting for the same parties the outcome will be the same every single time.

2020Vision

DellyBelly wrote: »

I voted for FG the last 2 elections when I would have voted FF before then however i think it's time for a change in Ireland. I'll be voting FF this time. Give them a chance to add new ideas...

It's a shame that the Soc Dems are led by two pretty uninspirational TDs.

If they had managed to keep Baldie Donnelly on board, I would have been very tempted to give them a go.

PhilOssophy

FG:

- The only party to build 1 hospital for the price of 2
- Millions squandered on a broadband plan which is not fit for purpose
- Have created a country where only the really rich can aspire to own a home within 1 hr of Dublin City Centre.
- Have dont NOTHING in 9 years with the health service, except decide that we didn't need to price a Children's Hospital. Record numbers on trolleys, what happened to Dr James Reillys grand vision which he shouted about in opposition?

Anyone who thinks the crash that happened under FF wouldn't have happened under FG is deluded, they were going to spend more money on public services and public sector wages at the time.

The upshot : I honestly don't know who I will vote for, but not FG anyway, 9 years of any administration is enough.

suicide_circus

goldenhoarde wrote: »

While change is good, hand on heart will new minister's in the health and housing actually solve the issues.

this is it for me. Today and yesterday i listened to people from FF, SF, LAB, Greens, PBP going after Eoin Murphy, Simon Harris and FG as a whole over health and housing. And rightly so. But i just wanted to shout at the radio "WTF are you going to do about it??!" These are issues all over the western world.

Healthcare system problems in Sweden:
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/consumer/swedes-face-problems-with-health-care-system

Healthcare system problems in Germany
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-aims-to-revamp-crisis-hit-care-industry-amid-worker-shortage/a-47268886

Healthcare System problems in France
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/11/french-medics-health-service-collapse-doctors-nurses-protest-outside-french-health-ministry-strikes

Berlin housing crisis
https://berlinspectator.com/2019/01/08/berlins-housing-shortage-no-improvement-in-sight-3/

Housing crisis in the Netherlands
https://dutchreview.com/expat/housing/housing-crisis-in-the-netherlands/

Yes these issues are chronic in Ireland and the health service has been in freefall my entire life but they are not unique to us and a certainly not going to be solved by anyone on your ballot paper unfortunately.

Not very constructive i know...

Dyr

2020Vision wrote: »

Labour are certainly ripe with experience! Emmet Stagg is 75, Joe Costello is 74, Joan Burton will be 71 on 1 Feb, and Jan O'Sullivan is a mere nipper at only 69! Also, their ex-TD Tommy Broughan is 72, if he's running again.

It's just as well that Mickey Dee Higgins got elected President, or he'd probably be there too at age 78!

In FF, the oldest candidate appears to be O'Cuiv at 69.

FG?

Many years ago Labour ran a campaign poster along the lines of "Remember the Sick, the Poor & The Elderly...Vote Labour"

It was unintentionally funny then and its even funnier now given they're all as old as dust.

ELM327

JeffKenna wrote: »

Greens are already voting for that in Europe.

Greens are a whole 'nother level of loon.

2020Vision

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

As opposed to the top notch job ff/fg have proven they are capable of doing?

Exactly.

JeffKenna

ELM327 wrote: »

unless the likes of SF or the loony left get in and kill FDI by increasing CT rate

Greens are already voting for that in Europe.

ELM327

Feisar wrote: »

At the end of the day we are a small open economy on the edge of Europe. Decisions made by the likes of Google or Microsoft have more effect on us than our mickey mouse local politics.

unless the likes of SF or the loony left get in and kill FDI by increasing CT rate

RocketRaccoon

2020Vision wrote: »

But Sinn Fein will abolish your Property Tax! And Eoin O'Broin will solve the homelessness problem - possibly by buying surplus tents from Libya.

And, with Pearse "the Magician" Doherty at the helm, they'll coerce the insurance companies to slash motor insurance rates!

And Louise O'Reilly will solve the HSE problems by magically recruiting thousands of nurses from God knows where.

Not forgetting that Mary Lou will insist on a Border Poll which, I'm reliably informed, will reunite the country within five years.

With visionary and thoroughly credible policies like that, only a fool would refuse to vote for Sinn F!

As opposed to the top notch job ff/fg have proven they are capable of doing?

DellyBelly

I voted for FG the last 2 elections when I would have voted FF before then however i think it's time for a change in Ireland. I'll be voting FF this time. Give them a chance to add new ideas...

is_that_so

2020Vision wrote: »

Labour are certainly ripe with experience! Emmet Stagg is 75, Joe Costello is 74, Joan Burton will be 71 on 1 Feb, and Jan O'Sullivan is a mere nipper at only 69!

It's just as well that Mickey Dee Higgins got elected President, or he'd probably be there too at age 78!

In FF, the oldest candidate appears to be O'Cuiv at 69.

FG?

Possibly O'Dowd. I think he's 71.

2020Vision

is_that_so wrote: »

Labour candidates

Labour are certainly ripe with experience! Emmet Stagg is 75, Joe Costello is 74, Joan Burton will be 71 on 1 Feb, and Jan O'Sullivan is a mere nipper at only 69! Also, their ex-TD Tommy Broughan is 72, if he's running again.

It's just as well that Mickey Dee Higgins got elected President, or he'd probably be there too at age 78!

In FF, the oldest candidate appears to be O'Cuiv at 69.

FG?

jimmycrackcorm

Billcarson wrote: »

100% the I'm all right Jack's .
I'm all right too ,happy enough with my lot but I will still not be voting either FG or ff.
Sf for me.

The implication is that people who are "I'm all right Jack" don't care for issues such as housing and health. People with good jobs still need their employers to be able to hire employees that need homes to grow and stay profitable.
Even with private health insurance, I still have to use A&E where required.

But as you choose SF, am example why I don't vote for them is their plans to punish with extra tax anyone earning over 100K. What will that do to fix the health system that needs more consultants? Multinationals moving here create many well paid jobs but that extra punishing tax will just make it harder to attract then here as they need to attract in their key managerial staff from abroad.

NuttyMcNutty

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So you think it's an entirely pointless exercise? All those stupid posters printed for nothing...

Wait, they got the printer working?

is_that_so

Labour candidates

https://www.labour.ie/people/

FG
https://election2020.finegael.ie/candidates

FF
https://www.fiannafail.ie/candidates/

Greens
https://www.greenparty.ie/our-people/candidates/

SF don't seem to have a list yet.

L1011

is_that_so wrote: »

List of retirees(there may be more)

FG Kenny, Noonan, Deasy, Daly, McLoughlin, Coffey(Sen),
SF O Caolan, Ferris, Adams, O Brien
Lab Penrose and Ryan
Finian McGrath Ind

https://adriankavanaghelections.org/2018/08/10/tds-32nd-dail-eireann-who-will-not-be-contesting-the-next-general-election/

Likely to be kept up to date. Doesn't cover Senators.

Abel Ruiz

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Fg cleaned up the mess?

Do you not remember 10 years ago?
Do you remember the cabinet at the end when they all started to resign?
They jumped when they knew the public hated them!!!
Do you not remember the double budget in one year?

I member!

is_that_so

List of retirees(there may be more)

FG Kenny, Noonan, Deasy, Daly, McLoughlin, Coffey(Sen),
SF O Caolan, Ferris, Adams, O Brien
Lab Penrose and Ryan
Finian McGrath Ind

Snow Garden

Feisar wrote: »

At the end of the day we are a small open economy on the edge of Europe. Decisions made by the likes of Google or Microsoft have more effect on us than our mickey mouse local politics.

Don't forget Apple!

Feisar

At the end of the day we are a small open economy on the edge of Europe. Decisions made by the likes of Google or Microsoft have more effect on us than our mickey mouse local politics.

Snow Garden

is_that_so wrote: »

Match is not on until 16.45 and it's at most 3 hours worth.

Ireland match is a 14:15 kick off.

It will be mostly FG supporters going to that.

Can we blame the Joey Carbery injury on FG?

jimmycrackcorm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Do our economies truly function for our societies?

Our political system is locked down by fg and ff, there's very between them

It isn't locked down by FF/FG. It's locked down by the voting public between right and left of centre. We are largely centrist.

Contrast with the UK where there is a very clear divide between hard right and hard left that is locked down by the FTTP system that prevents anything centrist.

hots

ELM327 wrote: »

I shall be voting, FG, they haven't given me a reason not to and, as there's no one in Ireland further to the right fiscally but retaining left wing liberal views for social issues, they have my vote. I voted FF until 2011.

Pretty much same here, socially they seem pretty liberal, fiscally they're the closest thing to something I agree with... if the greens weren't a bit mental you'd probably want to throw a few of them in there for good measure... same for labour.

Dyr

2020Vision wrote: »

But Sinn Fein will abolish your Property Tax! And Eoin O'Broin will solve the homelessness problem - possibly by buying surplus tents from Libya.

Only way Eoineen will be importing tents from Libya is if there's a family of refugees in each one.

Eoin housing answer is the same bull**** that social planning utopians have been pushing since the 60s

Bishop of hope

Billcarson wrote: »

Bishop of hope wrote: »

In your opinion!
And mine

Please don't misquote me, I didn't say that and you have it all as my quote.

pure.conya

john9876 wrote: »

What's the logic behind having it on a Saturday?

not much logic in it being held on the sat really, it's the actual date it's being held on thats significant in this instance, something to do with the electoral register and anybody that registered after 15/02/19 wont be eligible to vote in the upcoming general election unless you're on the supplementary register, people only have until Thurs week (Jan 23rd) to make sure they can vote in this upcoming election

Billcarson

2020Vision wrote: »

But Sinn Fein will abolish your Property Tax! And Eoin O'Broin will solve the homelessness problem - possibly by buying surplus tents from Libya.

And, with Pearse "the Magician" Doherty at the helm, they'll coerce the insurance companies to slash motor insurance rates!

And Louise O'Reilly will solve the HSE problems by magically recruiting thousands of nurses from God knows where.

Not forgetting that Mary Lou will insist on a Border Poll which, I'm reliably informed, will reunite the country within five years.

With visionary and thoroughly credible policies like that, only a fool would refuse to vote for Sinn Féin!

And the great vision of fg and ff? Ff had great f**king vision over a decade ago didn't they????

is_that_so

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Not impressed that it’s on a Saturday, especially on the day of a Six Nations “match”. Very poor planning.

Can’t help but feel that the Irish political “swing” is going back to FF.

That’s seems to be the way we do it. Give FF a good run to wreck the country, let FG come in to clean up the mess and make the hard decisions, then “reward” them by booting them and putting FF back in charge.

Match is not on until 16.45 and it's at most 3 hours worth.